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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 19 Apr 2012 19:34 #286

Thanks, that does actually make me feel a little better about my decision. We didn't break the bank on this purchase, but at the same time, it was enough that I expect some quality years. I'm also usually pretty anal about my purchases and like to get the best item at the best price.

We did go with the gel upgrade in both our bed (13" Silk Elegance) and our son's (11" Pac Original), so hopefully they'll give us a few years of good support and sleep. I'll definitely be watching it like a hawk to see how it responds in the first 120.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 17 May 2012 01:41 #287

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Am I glad that I came home to do some research first! I was so close to buying an iComfort, it just felt so good on the showroom floor, and the salesman had me convinced it was the best technology on the market! Boy was he wrong.

I just wanted to say thanks Phoenix for all the great information here about natural talalay latex rubber mattresses, and also thanks to everyone who helped contribute to this thread. Reading it front to back changed my mind about the iComfort and the entire mattress industry! I seriously think this thread has decreased the sales for iComfort drastically. Good job Phoenix!

After doing an extensive amount of research I located a mattress store near my house and fell in love with the Pure Latex Bliss 8 inch queen size mattress. Has anyone else purchased this brand? What do you think about them? Did I make the right decision? I still have a few days to change my mind before it gets delivered.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 17 May 2012 03:37 #288

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Hi Fetichini,

Wow ... that's a lot of reading considering this is by far the longest thread in the forum :)

Pure Latex Bliss makes a high quality line of mattresses that are among the best quality and value IMO of the nationally distributed brands. They are among the better choices of mattress that are sold through retail outlets and I have mentioned them frequently in the forum.

While they may not be quite in the same value range as some of the factory direct manufacturers across the country ... they are certainly a good choice compared to almost anything sold in most retail outlets and will keep their qualities and last a long time compared to most mattresses that use lower quality materials, especially in the upper layers. I would choose them in a heartbeat over the iComfort line even though they are a different category of mattress.

Getting a mattress that is just what you need and prefer is also important and price is only part of the "value equation" of course but outside of local factory direct manufacturers ... they are among my favorite manufacturers. They are also helping to raise awareness of the benefits of latex in general and are showing many of the larger brands how a latex mattress should be made (without several inches of lower quality foam on top of the latex).

If you are happy with the way the mattress performs (in terms of pressure relief, alignment, and your preferences) and it certainly appears that you are, and you are happy with the price you paid ... then I think you made a good choice.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 21 May 2012 13:51 #289

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I was looking at the icomfort line and my g/f had her heart set on the renewal refined i talked to you Phoenix and you gave me a run down on the different models. Well the renewal refined is going back because it is a tad too soft for my back i just ordered a 13000 from Sleepez which you have recommnded on this forum and Shawn was very helpful in the layer suggestions for both me and my g/f.
I wanted to update some information on the serta renewal refined it appears that the energy gel foam is latex. The reason i say this is because i looked at the Law tag and it said that 53% was poly foam with gel 22% was latex with gel and the remainder was just polyfoam. If this is incorrect then dismiss what i just said i just wanted to give some insight to what the law tag said on this specific model.

I will be gikving an update on the latex bed when i have slept on it for awhile. :)

Again thanks for all the helpful information you have provided on this site.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 21 May 2012 17:03 #290

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Hi Immortal216,

I'm grateful that you took the time to check the law tag. I haven't had the chance to personally test the Refined series and check the law tags myself so your information is very helpful.

I took a look around the internet as well and while almost every retailer has the same basic Serta description ... Sit N Sleep is the only one I found that has more detail and they are saying that it is Talalay latex. Since there are only two producers of Talalay and because Serta uses LI latex in some of their mattresses, that opens up the possibility (or even probability) that their "gel energy foam" is the new GL fast recovery Talalay.

While of course this is a better quality material ... the prices they charge are still out of line ... but at least it's nice to know that it is better quality than "gel infused" polyfoam.

Thanks for the report. I appreciate it.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 21 May 2012 17:41 #291

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No problem anything i can do to help :) Serta should really just say it is latex instead of "gel energy foam" it might even help them sell it i think the mattress would be a good buy if they lowered the cost by about $1250 but that will never happen because or greed and/or overhead

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Serta iComfort 13 Jun 2012 22:26 #292

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Hi all! I am new to this site and new to mattress shopping in general. My SO and I have been sleeping on a full sized pillowtop for a few years now, and after waking up every day for the past year with severe back pain, we have decided it is time to get a new mattress. I am far too young to have back pain, but I have it nonetheless, and have decided to upgrade to a memory foam. We are looking to spend no more than $2000 and have been most interested in the Serta iComfort, particularly the revolution, though I do have concerns that the revolution is too plush, and would wind up feeling too much like a pillowtop. Nebraska Furniture Mart offers 24 month zero interest financing, free delivery, and a $200 gift card with the purchase of a Serta iComfort. The no interest financing is a great deal, and the gift card would allow us to buy brand new sheets. The mattress also comes with a 25 year warrant (10 prorated) and a 120 day trial period.

The Revolution feels lovely and fulfills my desire to have a plush bed, but still has the firm and supportive nature of memory foam (I hope). I suppose what I am most looking for is advice, reviews, information, etc. All would be greatly appreciated!

Thank so much!

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Re: Serta iComfort 13 Jun 2012 22:51 #293

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I didn't realize the Tempur pedic cloud is the same price as the icomfort revolution, Hmm. Thoughts? I tried out the cloud a while back and fell in love.

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Re: Serta iComfort 13 Jun 2012 22:57 #294

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Hi MidwestGirl,

I merged your thread with the main iComfort thread which has lots of information in it about the iComfort and many people who have looked elsewhere for better quality and value. An analysis and review of the original iComfort lineup is in post #11 here .

This article will also help you avoid most of the traps of mattress shopping (and avoid the major brands and chain stores as well).

In almost every case, the best quality mattresses and the most knowledgeable people who can help both educate consumers about the materials that are used in their mattresses and have much better value are local factory direct manufacturers or smaller sleep shops that sell smaller independent or local brands. They are "mattress people" who are far more interested in helping you find a mattress that will suit you for the long term than they are in selling you a high profit margin lower value mattress that will benefit the outlet far more than it will benefit you. These are the types of mattresses that are designed to sell in the highly managed and subjective environment of many mattress showrooms but will rarely be what people need or even prefer in the long term. This article will help you recognize some of the qualities of these better outlets. The overviews in the mattresses section of the site will help give you all you need to know to ask better questions and more importantly to be able to tell when you are getting accurate information from a knowledgeable person or whether you are being "sold" a story rather than a mattress. Scanning the overviews (not "studying" which isn't necessary at all) will make you more of an expert than most of the people in the industry that sell mattresses.

The more the outlet or the person helping you has the knowledge, skills, and selection of good quality and value mattresses to help you make your best choices , the less you have to learn :)

If you let me know which city you live in or your zip ... I'd be happy to look and see if I know of any better outlets or factory direct manufacturers in your area.

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Re: Serta iComfort 13 Jun 2012 23:23 #295

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Hi MidwestGirl,

I didn't realize the Tempur pedic cloud is the same price as the icomfort revolution, Hmm. Thoughts? I tried out the cloud a while back and fell in love.


The Tempurpedic cloud has 2.8" of memory foam vs the Revolution which has 4.75". Both of them are over a polyurethane foam base. A more reasonable comparison between the Revolution $1774 mattress only queen.
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in terms of value would be the Cloud Luxe (which also has 4.75" of memory foam) which is 3699 (queen mattress only). Even the Cloud Supreme would be a more reasonable comparison and with the current sale it would be $2499 for the set (with $500 off) and the Revolution would be $1999 for the set.

When you are comparing mattresses for "value" ... it's important to know the materials in each mattress so you can come closer to comparing apples to apples.

Both of these are poor value compared to many other much better choices that are available.

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Re: Serta iComfort 16 Jun 2012 00:52 #296

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Phoenix,

Thank you for the quick reply. After doing some research, and finding websites like this www.chem-tox.com/guest/guestbook.html, I am suddenly nervous about buying foam at all. Especially considering my future children will likely sleep on this bed with me. Help!

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Hi MidwestGirl,

I think you are wise to be cautious when thinking about foam when it comes to the effect on children (and on adults) but it's also important to know that all foam is not the same.

There are really 3 main types of foam. These are memory foam, polyurethane foam, and latex foam. The first two are made from various chemicals (primarily a polyol and an isocyanate) and the last is made from natural rubber (NR), synthetic rubber (SBR), or a blend of the two.

Of these 3, I believe memory foam should be avoided completely for infants and young children and not just because of concerns about chemicals and offgassing. Post #2 here has more of my thoughts about this and this thread and post #2 here and post #21 here also has more information about infants/children and mattresses.

Polyfoam tends to be a little less risky because of how it is made but I would still tend to avoid it if your budget makes it possible and stick with safer or more natural materials. At the very least ... I would make sure that any polyfoam in a mattress that may be used for children is either Certipur or Oeko-Tex certified (or certified by another reputable agency such as GreenGuard).

I believe that both blended and natural talalay latex OekoTex standard 100 class 1 (which are both
"safe for babies" certified) and 100% natural Dunlop latex would make good choices.
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Natural or organic fibers also make very good choices (with no harmful chemicals added or used in manufacturing).

Articles and sites like the one you mentioned are well worth reading and are an important part of good research IMO but there is sometimes also a danger that they can be so scary that people may overreact and lump almost everything into the "harmful" category and overlook some of the many safer and better choices that are available.

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Re: Serta iComfort 16 Jun 2012 16:56 #298

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Phoenix,

Thanks again for the quick and informative answer. You mentioned giving you my zip code and you could help me locate some local retailers. It is 66046. I know you aren't a huge fan of the big name companies, but I see that Simmons is both certipur certified and Oeko-tex certified. To us, the draw of using Nebraska furniture mart is their excellent financing opportunities, and we have a nfm card. Not to mention the ability to go and test out beds, I just won't order online. Our price range is no more than $2000.

What's your take on the Simmons Natural Care line?

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Hi MidwestGirl,

Some of the better options in your area are listed in post #2 here (which includes NFM).

The previous Simmons Natural Care Elite line (that may still be available in a few places) were very nice and in some cases had good value (depending on the outlet's pricing) and were almost all talalay latex (except for a 2" layer of firmer polyfoam on the bottom). The new Natural Care lineup is a polyfoam/latex blend which is more economical (has a polyfoam core) but are also one of the "better efforts" by a mainstream manufacturer.
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You can see the partial specs of the lineup here . "Comfort response technology" and "Independent response technology" is their new name for latex it seems. The quilting of the two upper models would be quiltable Dunlop latex (the lower end model uses polyfoam in the quilting) but they don't say what type of latex they use in the comfort layers (except that it's either a 65% or a 20% natural/synthetic blend). The independent response technology with "pillows" would likely be similar to this or to this except these examples are higher quality 100% natural Dunlop latex. I have a few people who are trying to track down the type of latex (they didn't know when I asked and need to ask their rep) but no confirmation at this point (although based on the 65% and 20% natural content a good guess would be blended Dunlop). It would be better value than many mainstream brand mattresses although not in the same value range as smaller local manufacturers who use latex in their mattresses (and probably higher quality latex as well).
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Most of the major brands do use American foam manufacturers in their mattresses which are CertiPur certified although Simmons does a better job of telling people about this. CertiPur foam has been tested for harmful ingredients and offgassing (to certain testing standards) but it doesn't say anything about the density/quality of the foams they use. To know this you need density information with either memory foam or polyfoam which are more difficult "specs" to find out (although Simmons is also a little better at this as well).

If financing is a major part of your "value equation" then NFM may be a reasonable option and they at least do carry several alternative brands (such as Omaha bedding and Southerland) that may be better value. You may also want to check and see if Omaha bedding has come out with their latex line. The difficulty in dealing with many retail outlets though is finding out the layer information that makes meaningful value comparisons possible. sometimes it can be like "pulling teeth" as they try to tell you either that it's a "secret" or "proprietary" or that you don't need this kind of information at all and you should just lay down on the mattress and see how you feel.

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Re: Serta iComfort 18 Jun 2012 01:15 #300

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Phoenix, what is your view on this model ? This site is having a serious sale and it ends tomorrow. Would this be a fairly safe bet as far as ordering a mattress online? Seems like a really good deal and a mattress that I am really interested in. Also, do you know if it is just the Natural Care line that is certi-pur certified or is all of their foam? It is hard to find their Natural Care line in stores here to try out but I wouldn't be opposed to getting another one of their foam beds (i.e. Comfortpedic) Again, thanks for your time and input. It really has helped us exponentially!
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