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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 22 Mar 2012 23:25 #271

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Hi cyberbrad4,

With weights over about 200 lbs ... memory foam can be a little tricky. In addition to this ... the density of the memory foam in a mattress is the single biggest factor in how durable it is and how quickly it will soften. The iComfort gel memory foam has a 5 lb density which would normally indicate good quality but this is only because the gel particles that are mixed in with the memory foam are heavier and add to he weight. In reality ... the actual memory foam is lower density (closer to 4 lbs) which means that it would soften more quickly than higher density foams and iin addition to this ... particles added to memory foam make it less durable as well. There are versions of gel memory foams where the gel is actually part of the memory foam rather than added particles but the iComforts don't use this which is one of the reasons I don't believe they have great value. They also use other types of foam in many of their models and in the higher priced models ... some of them have such thick comfort layers that even normal softening that all polyfoam and memory foams go through in the first few weeks may result in the mattress being too soft for a particular body weight, shape, and sleeping position. It appears this is what has happened.

When you are looking for a mattress ... the first thing I would do is eliminate as many as possible of worst choices so that you can be more focused on choices where your odds of long term satisfaction are much better. This article will help you avoid most of the traps and pitfalls of mattress shopping.

The next best step is to gather some basic information about mattresses and the materials that are used in them. The goal here is to gather enough basic information that you an ask better questions and to help you identify which outlets really are knowledgeable and which are just telling you marketing stories. Reading through the overviews in the mattresses section will help you here. I wouldn't "study" them so much as just read them through to gain some general information.

The next step ... before you start looking at or thinking about "which mattress" ... is to find some of the better outlets that are knowledgeable about the materials in a mattress and how to fit a mattress to the needs and preferences of each person or couple. If they know this (and your basic reading will help you know when someone knows what they are talking about) ... then you won't have to. One of the best signs of outlets like this is a willingness to give you good information on the phone about prices and mattress materials that may be suitable for you to try. Calling on the phone first will help eliminate the outlets who only want you to come there before they will give you any information.

When you have found one or a few outlets that know their stuff and offer mattresses with good value (based on comparing other mattresses that use similar materials and construction) .. then you can relax knowing that you don't have to go store to store and listen to more and more confusing stories to find the best mattress and the best value for you. This bypasses most of the frustration of mattress shopping.

Once you reach this point ... it's just a matter of finding the "best" mattress in each of the list of outlets you have chosed and then deciding on the one that best meets your needs and preferences and has the best value in your budget range. This way you completely avoid most of the outlets that will do more to confuse and frustrate you and sell you a mattress that does more for their profit than it does for your needs and preferences.

There are two factory direct outlets near you where I would I would spend most of my time. they are ...

denvermattress.furniturerow.com/dmc/ Regional factory direct outlet that makes a range of mattresses including memory foam, latex, and innersprings. They have a good selection of choices and have better value than most. I would only focus on their own brands and ignore the major brands they also carry.

www.jordans.com/sleep-lab/about-our-brands/jordans-mattress-factory Factory direct manufacturer who makes memory foam, latex, and innerspring mattresses. They fit the profile of smaller factory direct manufacturers who use better quality materials in their mattresses and then sell them at lower prices than the larger mass market outlets.

These would be my reference points for any other outlets you visit and quite frankly if I was in your shoes .... I probably wouldn't spend any time at any others with one possible exception ...

thebeddingmart.com/ Carries Pure Latex bliss which are a high quality line of talalay latex mattresses which are better quality and value than most mainstream mattresses but not usually in the same value range as many local manufacturers.

Hope this helps

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 08 Apr 2012 23:18 #272

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Hi:

Like many others here, we are looking at replacing our 10 year old innerspring mattress set with either a foam/latex bed or an air bed or a combination thereof. Also, like many here we tried the Icomfort revolution and liked how it felt in the showroom but were a bit concerned about the non-negotiable price. After reading through all the negative feedback on this site and elsewhere, we clearly need to do more shopping around.

We live in west Michigan about 30 miles west of Grand Rapids. Can you recommend any reputable local manufacturers or distributors in our area? I haven't seen any others on this site from our area.

Thanks for your help!

Scottp

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 09 Apr 2012 00:42 #273

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Hi Scottp,

You have some great choices very close to you!

buismattress.net Holland, MI They are a local factory direct manufacturer that is a member of this site (meaning I think highly of both them and their mattresses) and I highly recommend them. They make a wide range of mattresses using high quality components and materials and have great quality and value. Marc Dozeman the owner is truly "mattress people".

jonathanstevens.com Grand Rapids Local factory direct manufacturer who also makes a full range of mattresses that are also very good quality and value.

chirobed Holland, MI. They make a range of latex/innerspring hybrids, one and two sided innersprings, and some memory foam mattresses as well. They specialize in custom manufacturing, often from chiropractor recommendations or for more challenging circumstances, but also have standard models on their floor as well for "regular" consumers to test. They are knowledgeable and helpful and have some good quality and value available.

aacawaybedding.com Comstock Park, Smaller local factory direct manufacturer who carries Restonic and Posturecraft (because he doesn't want to make everything himself he told me) but also makes their own to any specs you may want using high quality materials.

acmebeddingcompany Muskegon Local factory direct manufacturer that also manufactures a full range of mattresses. They have fewer details on their site but in the few shorter conversations I had with them they seemed to be good people and very knowledgeable.

capitolbedding.com Smaller wholesale manufacturer in Lansing, MI that makes a wide range of traditional innerspring and specialty mattresses. They have some detailed specs on their site and have a capitolbedding to find any local retailers in the area. They make some good quality/value mattresses and are transparent about the materials they use.

You are fortunate to have such good choices nearby and there's no doubt that the best quality and value in your area are with this group of manufacturers :)

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 14 Apr 2012 01:25 #274

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Hi,

I was wondering if you had any opinion about the brand Zedbed?
There is a description of their mattress here:
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I was recommended to buy the iComfort but based on Phoenix comments I will pass. I am wondering if Zedbed is good replacement.

Thanks.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 14 Apr 2012 01:55 #275

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There is also the Essentia 8 Classic which seems to fit most of the criteria described in this forum but it is pretty expensive. Any recommendations on this one?

Thanks.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 14 Apr 2012 06:25 #276

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Hi Sylvain,

My thoughts on Essentia are in this thread starting in post #2 and continuing with a discussion with a company representative.

The Zedbed certainly uses high quality materials and could make a good quality choice (although latex has a very different feel from the memory foam in the iComfort line). It is on the expensive side though which is often the case in larger outlets that carry many major brand mattresses. They seem to be an up and coming company that is unusual because they actually pour their own memory foam.

While I haven't done extensive research in Quebec (partly because I don't speak French) ... I do know of many factory direct manufacturers in the province and I would suspect that at least some of them may have better value for similar quality latex hybrid mattresses. There is a wide range of latex mattresses as well as every other style available here. The ones I know of within about 100 K of Montreal (and I've added the ones I'm aware of in the rest of the province as well) include ...

www.matelasalhorizontal.com/ Terrebonne
www.letendrematelas.com/ Drummondville
www.literielaurier.com/ Montreal
www.literieprovinciale.ca/fr/ Montreal (see some comments in post #1 here )
matelasbourck.com/ Terrebonne
www.matelasdauphin.com/en/#.VM2IJS4n-Do Brossard, Quebec city (several), Sainte-Foy, Beauport, Charny, Levis, Scott, Gatineau, Thetford Mines, Rimouski
www.matelasexcellence.ca/ Laval
www.matelas-personnel.com/ Montreal
www.matelasprestige.com/ St-Eustache (see some comments here and here )
www.matelasrene.com/ Drummondville, Matane, Granby, Nicolet, Quebec city (several), Riviere du Loup, Rimouski, Shawinigan, Sorel, Trois Rivieres, Victoriaville
matelasselection.com/# Montreal
www.futondor.com/ Montreal
www.matelassiesta.com/ Brossard
www.matelasconfort.com/ Quebec City
www.matelas.qc.ca/ Notre-Dame-des-Pins
matelas.com/index.htm Saint-Tite
www.matelasliondor.com/ Chicoutimi, Alma
www.matelascondor.com/ Cap-Saint-Ignace

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There may be more that I haven't sorted through yet but there are some very good choices here.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 15 Apr 2012 13:54 #277

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Hi, Phoenix!

thank you so very much for your very knowledgable and insightful commentary on the iComfort mattress. My wife and I went out yesterday looking to buy another mattress having never heard of iComfort before--we haven't been in the mattress market for years. We ended up buying an iComfort--a Cal King Adjustable Split frame for way too much $$--about $8,500 when all is said and done. Having done a little bit research and, most importantly, read this thread now, we know I'm going to call the store shortly and cancel the purchase.

Now, here is the $64 dollar question:

where should we go to shop for a top quality mattress here in the Metro Phoenix area?

thank you so very much for the education and information--many others on this thread as well.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 15 Apr 2012 14:40 #278

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Hi jxrphoenix,

You are very fortunate to live in the Phoenix area because there are some great choices there in a wide variety of mattresses including a couple of our manufacturing members.
Post #4 here should help :)

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 15 Apr 2012 15:42 #279

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Apologies for jumping into an existing thread but figured that would be preferable to starting a new one involving the same mattress.

We're looking to replace our 8 year old Original Mattress Factory coil mattress. Generally pretty happy with that mattress but our tastes have changed (it was their ultra firm version, feels too firm now, wake up aching) a bit and it just doesn't feel very comfortable any longer. Why wife is pregnant and that's what pushed us into the market for a new one. The current mattress was pretty inexpensive so overall happy with how long it lasted. While we don't like this ultra firm bed any longer, I dislike the especially soft beds even more. I am unable to sleep on a pillow top.

Looking in Atlanta, both side sleepers. Have been to many stores and tried many mattresses. Overall we like the foam and air based beds over coils and have tried Sleep Number, Sterns and Foster Latex, Simmons/Sealy/Serta coil, Serta iComfort, and Tempur-pedic. For comfort at the show room, we like the iComfort the best.

We still have the Original Mattress Factory on our list to visit before making a decision, but what are your thoughts on their beds, particularly in comparison to iComfort?

They have a 9" and 12.5" latex here:

And a foam based one here:

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Part of me likes the amount of information you can get on their mattresses compared to the Serta stuff. Also, is there any truth to the heat issues being lessened with the gel? We do get hot sleeping so are wary of that part of the foams.

Thanks for any info, these forums are fairly helpful for getting more opinions. Glad we didn't walk out of the store with the iComfort, had never heard of it before so wanted to go home and research first. Not limited on budget, but like to get good value for what I do spend.

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Re: The Serta iComfort mattress ... what's the buzz 15 Apr 2012 16:28 #280

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Hi jstephens,

Apologies for jumping into an existing thread but figured that would be preferable to starting a new one involving the same mattress.


No problem. This thread has become a kind of "catch all" thread anyway :)

There is an analysis and review of the iComfort lineup here in case you haven't seen it. Overall, like most of the major brands they don't have great value and some of the models would also be "risky" for many people. They tend to cater to a showroom feel that people like in the short term but not so much on what people need (good alignment along with the pressure relief they do provide) in the longer term.

I also believe that airbeds are among the worst choices and value of all and there is more about the reasons why here .

Some of the guidelines that will help you in finding better quality and value and in avoiding most of the traps and pitfalls of mattress shopping (such as believing when the salespeople say that the Stearns and Foster are really a "latex" mattress or comparable to other lower cost and higher quality latex options) are in this article . Not only do they use the least expensive latex available (blended Dunlop) ... their premium models such as this still contain over 4" of lower quality polyfoam in the upper layers of the mattress (which is the weak link of the mattress). With a mattress like this you are not sleeping on latex at all but on much cheaper polyfoam.

Original mattress factory is much higher quality and value than any of the major brand mattresses IMO. Both of their latex mattresses contain only 1" of polyfoam in the comfort layers (which is within the maximum I normally suggest) and they use a higher quality of latex than the Stearns and Foster.

Their Serenity is also a very high quality memory foam mattress however because they only have one model (and only two latex models) ... it's important to make sure that the models they make are suitable for your needs and preferences regardless of their quality and value.

If you go to test these mattresses ... I would also make sure you test them on a firm foundation (or on an adjustable bed which are also firm and non flexible) because they tend to put their mattresses on "active" box springs which I don't believe is as good an idea and will certainly change the feel compared to a more "normal" rigid foundation that is usually used for latex and memory foam mattresses.

Gel tends to slightly reduce heat through convection (like putting your and on a marble countertop) but of course this would only be effective if the gel foam was on top. Some of the gel foams are also more breathable (more open cell structure) which means that they can regulate temperature better than some of the "slower" more heat sensitive and less open cell memory foams. There are also many non gel memory foams that are also more open celled and breathable that don't contain gel. None of them are as cool sleeping or as open celled as better quality latex though.

How far you sink into any foam and how closely it conforms to your body and the quilting/ticking on top of the mattress will also directly affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress for any particular individual.

Post #2 here includes some of the better options in and around the Atlanta area that I am aware of.

A final suggestion that may be worth considering if the only issue is that your mattress is too firm but hasn't developed any other "issues" (you have changed more than the mattress) is that a softer good quality topper (generally either latex or memory foam) may also be a good solution.

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