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Re: Sealy Optimum 10 Jul 2012 00:40 #31

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Hi mgdunaway,

Post #6 here includes the factory direct manufacturers near you and a wholesale manufacturer in Cape Girardeau that would need a phone call to find out the local outlets that carried them.

Most of these involve a drive (and I would suggest an initial phone call first to talk with them to get a sense of which you "connect" with the most) but would likely save you a lot of time and frustration trying to sort through all the "marketing information and stories" at local outlets. If these are all too far (or Campbells doesn't have any mattresses that are attractive to you) let me know and I'll take a look at some of your local options to see if there are any better possibilities there that I can see.

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Re: Sealy Optimum 10 Jul 2012 11:37 #32

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Thanks for the quick reply and I will definately check in to the sites you mentioned in the post. I have potentially found a local dealer for Dutch Craft right here in Cape Girardeau! (63701). Oak Tree Furniture is the name of the place. I havent had a chance to visit the store yet, hours are from 12 pm - 5 pm. Any advice of particular mattresses from Dutch Craft??

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Re: Sealy Optimum 10 Jul 2012 17:21 #33

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Hi mgdunaway,

Dutch Craft is a smaller manufacturer based in Celina, TN and these types of smaller manufacturers ... especially if they are local and can ship to a local for a reasonable cost ... will often have better quality and value.

Any advice or comments I could make about any particular mattress would depend on the type of materials you prefer and on knowing the specific details of a mattress that attracted you but I would certainly include them in your research. Although the Dutch Craft website doesn't list any detailed specifics of their mattresses, they do make a wide range of models using some high quality materials and depending on the models that Oak Tree Furniture carried (they don't list any details on their site) they would give you a chance to test out different types and styles of mattresses. The overviews in the mattresses section of the site has some good information about the different materials that are used in comfort and support layers and they may help you ask better questions and make more sense of the answers you are given.

If you have more questions along the way ... including about specific mattresses that you have tested and like (as long as you have the layer specs on can link to them online) ... don't hesitate to ask :)

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Re: Sealy Optimum 11 Jul 2012 19:28 #34

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Pheonix,

I CANNOT thank you enough for the support and knowledge your mattress forum offers. I would be utterly lost in mattress shopping without the "smarts" I have picked up here. Come to find out Oak Tree Furniture does not carry Dutch Craft anymore, but that's ok because I have kept hunting for the perfect mattress and I believe I have found the one that has the best bang for the buck. It is the Ultimate Dreams mattress sold on Amazon. It almost seems to good to be true. I dont like the fact that I can't lay on the mattress before I purchase it but I believe I have tested out enough here in town to know that my wife and I like a softer mattress. I am 6' 190 pounds and I am more of a back sleeper but I also like to sleep on my side from time to time. My wife is 5'4" ~120 pounds and she is more of a side sleeper. I am 27 years old and already have some lower back tightness/pain due to 4 years of college football and tight hamstrings. I really like the idea that the latex support core is supposed to be really good at 'lifting' the larger spaces, such as my lumbar. I called and spoke with Chuck today and he said the default numbe they go with is 6. If we like a softer mattress he would recommend a 7. My only concern is getting a mattress that is TOO soft but with the good support layer in these mattresses do you think that should even be a concern? The only thing that is holding up finally pulling the trigger is trying to convince the ole wifey to go to a King!

Again I thank you all for making this site what it is. Keep it up and bring the consumer more knowledge.

(P.S. I called down to Royal Bedding down in Birmingham and spoke with Tom's wife (could not have been nicer!). I RREEAAALLYY like the latex mattress that you were able to be a part of developing but at 2100 for a queen... just a little out of our price range. Sorry if this post is in the wrong section, but for everyone looking at or laying on a Optimum, I hope to write a comparison once I finally pull the trigger on the Ultimate Dreams. )

Mark

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Re: Sealy Optimum 11 Jul 2012 21:34 #35

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Hi mgdunaway,

Come to find out Oak Tree Furniture does not carry Dutch Craft anymore, but that's ok because I have kept hunting for the perfect mattress and I believe I have found the one that has the best bang for the buck. It is the Ultimate Dreams mattress sold on Amazon.


That's unfortunate about the Dutch Craft but as you probably know, Brooklyn Bedding (the "parent" of the Dreamfoam brand) is a member of this site and I think very highly of them. Of course the members here also get the "perk" of getting a free shredded latex pillow with their order.

Part of the risk of any online order of course is that you can't actually lay on the mattress and there is no refund in this case (which brings the prices down) but the risk is offset because they can customize the firmness level of the latex in the mattress for your needs and preferences and they are also good at getting it right at least based on "averages" most of the time. There is lots more posts and threads that talk about them in the forum and a search on Ultimate Dreams (you can click the link) will bring up lots more information and the choices that different people have made.

My only concern is getting a mattress that is TOO soft but with the good support layer in these mattresses do you think that should even be a concern? The only thing that is holding up finally pulling the trigger is trying to convince the ole wifey to go to a King!


The mattress has a 3" comfort layer and a 1.5" quilting layer so if you were to choose too soft then it would increase the risk of sleeping in a less aligned position but because of the resilience and "sag factor" of latex ... the risk is less than with other materials. Side sleepers generally do well with softer materials but back and especially stomach sleepers would do best with firmer to prevent "hammocking" . Heavier weights also generally need and prefer firmer materials. The polyfoam base layer is high quality and is a good support layer. The thickness/softness of the top latex comfort layers (the layers on top are not support layers) are for pressure relief and for "filling in the gaps" to provide more gentle support for the gaps in the sleeping position. The deeper polyfoam support layer is to "stop" any unnecessary sinking in of the heavier parts of the body which is the primary cause of lower back pain.

Rather than get too involved in technical specs though ... Chuck has much more experience with this specific mattress and your general preferences and experiences on any mattresses you have tested (especially that use latex in the comfort layer) will help him narrow down the best choice for you. Without this ... they will tend to make recommendations based on "averages" which most people with your body type and sleeping style would prefer.

They are the "expert" in making your best selection (and they are good at it) because they know every detail and every specific of the mattress and how all the layers interact and they also have a growing database of customers that may be similar to you which gives them the experience with this specific mattress to help you much better than what I call "theory at a distance" based on specs alone.

One final note is that it's always easier to "fix" a mattress that is too firm by adding a softer layer or topper than it is to firm up a mattress that is too soft for good support and alignment but of course the ideal id to get it right in the first place.

(P.S. I called down to Royal Bedding down in Birmingham and spoke with Tom's wife (could not have been nicer!). I RREEAAALLYY like the latex mattress that you were able to be a part of developing but at 2100 for a queen... just a little out of our price range. Sorry if this post is in the wrong section, but for everyone looking at or laying on a Optimum, I hope to write a comparison once I finally pull the trigger on the Ultimate Dreams. )


I wasn't so much a part of actually developing it as much as giving him some thoughts and feedback about his ideas along the way. It was his "baby" all the way and it was great to have a ringside seat and watch the project unfold as he developed, prototyped, and tested it until it was on the floor. It's a really nice two sided mattress and includes a foundation and was designed to appeal to a wide variety of people. It's great quality and value and I only wish I had the chance to personally test it. Maybe one day when I happen to be "passing by" :)

Hope this helps

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Re: Sealy Optimum 16 Jul 2012 18:20 #36

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Hello Pheonix,
My name is Joslin and I live in the Huntsville, Alabama area. I am also in the market for a new mattress, but the search can be so overwhelming. I also looked into and layed on the Optimum Radiance and really liked it. However after finding this site, I'm at a loss all over again. Can you tell me if there are any recommended retailers in my area?

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Joslin

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Re: Sealy Optimum 16 Jul 2012 22:35 #37

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Hi Hendricks,

As you probably know from reading the site ... I normally recommend finding the best outlets before finding the best mattress. Post #2 here lists the closest factory direct manufacturers to you and also lists some of the better options that are in the Huntsville area.

Finding better outlets first can take a lot of the frustration and uncertainty out of mattress shopping and also helps you find the outlets that help to educate more than sell and can better "fit" you to the mattress that you need and prefer.

Hope this helps and if you have more questions along the way don't hesitate to post them.

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Re: Sealy Optimum 17 Jul 2012 00:50 #38

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Went ahead and ordered the latex mattress from Ultimate Dreams!! Chuck could not have been more helpful! We went with a firmness of 7. I will be sure to let you all know how my wife and I feel about the mattress once we have slept on it for a couple nights. Slated to be delivered Thursday, and I also ordered a foundation from Campbell Mattress Co. here in Cape Girardeau (only $132) to make sure we have the best experience possible.

Oh and chuck let me know that in a couple weeks they are going to be releasing another line of mattresses that will feature the option of a detachable latex layer. So if you order a certain firmness that doesn't suit you, one will be able to exchange just that layer without having to ship the entire mattress. Pretty darn cool

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Re: Sealy Optimum 17 Jul 2012 01:47 #39

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Hi mgdunaway,

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

I'm looking forward to your feedback ... and way to go on sourcing the foundation as well.

It will be interesting to see the details of the new mattresses they are making too. The choices keep getting better!

Thanks again for your feedback.

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Re: Sealy Optimum 19 Jul 2012 13:57 #40

Hi Phoenix,

I too was thinking of going Optimum or Tempur-Pedic but now you have me concerned. I've been using a memory foam topper on top of a pretty crappy bed for about a year and would like to go with a memory foam. The Optimum interested me do to the cooling properties advertised. Could you please tell me where to go look near Aiken, SC.

Thank you

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