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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 27 Mar 2012 12:53 #11

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PS I do see online that Rocky Mountain has a 9" all latex with a natural cover for 1700. How does that compare to Colton?

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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 27 Mar 2012 15:13 #12

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Hi beanneu,

In order to make a comparison between mattresses ... I would need to know the specs and prices of both mattresses and I don't know the price or specs of a "comparable" mattress at Colton.

I can say though that I like Rocky Mountain Mattress and they are members of the site (which means that I believe they are among the "best of the best" in terms of quality and value). Their current prices for a 6" natural Dunlop core with a 2" talalay latex comfort layer are very good value (which is typical of the members here). When ordering online though ... knowing your options if you need to exchange the mattress or a layer is important because unless you are at their local outlet you won't have had the chance to lie on it to test it in person and it is is a "finished" mattress and not a zip cover where you choose layers or can exchange them although it does offer choices in firmness levels. Of course local testing on latex mattresses can provide a good guideline to the firmness levels that work best for you.

Overall ... the Rocky mountain is good value but like all online purchases have a degree of "risk" (shipping charges for any exchanges or returns) and this would need to be included in your "value equation".

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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 28 Mar 2012 13:40 #13

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Hi Phoenix,
Did you see the previous post where I listed the price. The (1800) is dollars, then it's 1300 for the other two options, foam or pocket coils. The Colton stock mattress is 6" latex, but doesn't have the natural cover. - Anne Marie

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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 28 Mar 2012 15:47 #14

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Hi beanneu,

I did miss your post, sorry ... it must have snuck in when I was busy writing another one.

The Colton natural/synthetic blend (which would be 30/70 NR/SBR) is talalay rather than Dunlop and would be a higher quality and more expensive type of latex than the blended continuous pour Dunlop that Ikea uses. If I am looking at Dunlop (rather than talalay) ... I personally prefer 100% natural that is by companies like Latex Green, CoCo latex, or Latexco (among others).

So here is what I am thinking about:
4" of #28 latex over #36 or #44 latex - most expensive option (1800)
4" of #28 latex over 4" 3.1 HR Foam or over 4" of pocket coils (leaning toward foam) This would save me about $500.


Assuming that the latex support core is 6" ... all of these would be good value IMO. The 3.1 lb polyfoam is exceptionally high quality (approaching the quality of latex in many specs) and pocket coils with latex comfort layers are also a preference for many people. All of these in other words are very high quality options and have good value IMO and preferences, intangibles, and budget would be the reason most people would choose one over the other.

When I am comparing a mattress made locally by a manufacturer to an online outlet ... I would tend to include a premium in my "value equation" to the fact that I have been able to test the mattress for pressure relief and alignment which removes much of the uncertainty of buying online. Making changes after the fact is also easier (if the manufacturer allows this) because the manufacturer is local and the mattress wouldn't have to be packaged and shipped. If this "premium" on a similar mattress is too much however ... then the additional risk of an online purchase may also be worth considering.

The most important part and benefit of buying locally though is the ability to carefully "fit" a mattress to your needs and preferences (under the guidance of someone who is very good at this) and I would never make a purchase under the pressure of other events because this is something you will be living ... and sleeping with for many hours each night for a long time. I would personally not make any purchase until you are satisfied that the mattress you are choosing really will give you the pressure relief and the alignment and support you need and also feels the way you prefer a mattress to feel. Even an online purchase can be much more accurate if you have done enough local testing to really know what you need and prefer.

Bear in mind too that it is sometimes difficult to make exact comparisons because the cost of the quilting/ticking (as you can see) and differences in the amount of materials used in different mattresses can make a real difference in the final prices so price comparisons are more "ballpark" comparisons based on similar amounts of similar materials and there is no "exact" way to factor in "exactly" the many other variables and intangibles that are important part of each individual's value equation.

There's more information about the various choices in ticking/quilting materials here (ticking) and here (quilting) and about natural vs synthetic here as well as in many other forum posts as well including post #2 here but they will basically confirm what your own experience and Colton is telling you and help to give some context to any "price benefit" tradeoffs that may be important to you.

All of your choices here are good ones IMO ... and once someone reaches this point (has eliminated the worst or low value choices) then it's very difficult to go "wrong" and its more a matter of deciding what is most important to you and the levels of risk/benefit and the prices of various options that you are comfortable with rather than thinking in terms of which one is "best".

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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 04 Dec 2012 16:29 #15

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So here is my Ikea experience.

1. SULTAN EDSELE
Your review in another thread "All latex mattress. This is 85% natural Dunlop and a wool/cotton ticking/quilting. This is one of the better Ikea choices (although the latex used is still not of the same quality as a 100% Dunlop produced in a mold by some of the better manufacturers)."
I was surprised how soft it was after all i read about dunlop hardness vs talalay. I actually felt like i was sinking in it and it didn't feel supportive or pain/pressure relieving, actually felt like it was amplifying pain initially. (this was the same experience I had with a 2" memory foam topper that someone gave me as a gift....dont know lb density of foam)
Interestingly, unlike all the others I tried, the longer I laid, the more it seemed to adjust/correct, and after some time the pain seemed to dissipate and became reasonably comfortable. Stated as 7 comfort zones. The price online is 729, but in store was 979!...whats that about?....60 buck delivery charge....dont think they remove your old....free delivery and removal one of the nice things about the mattress chains even though the are clueless on specs and just tryin to hustle they commission.

2. SULTAN ELSFJORD
Your review "All latex mattress.I would avoid this completely because it contains synthetic Dunlop with a synthetics fibers in the quilting/ticking."
This was much firmer and supportive and didn't instantly cause me pain like number 1(edsele). Didn't really notice much difference than the feel of a memory foam mattress. Reasonably supportive and comfortable. Stated as 5 comfort zones. Positive is you can take it with you....no delivery charge

3. SULTAN FJORDGARD
Your review "Polyfoam/Latex hybrid. Very similar to the SULTAN FOSSING except a thicker layer of 80% Synthetic Dunlop latex. I would also avoid this."
This was much firmer and supportive and didn't instantly cause me pain like number 1(edsele). Didn't really notice much difference than the feel of a memory foam mattress. Reasonably supportive and comfortable. Stated 5 comfort zones. 529 online

4. SULTAN HEGGEDAL
Your review " Pocket Coil / Latex hybrid. I would give some consideration to this as a "budget" mattress. Slightly higher coil count, 85% natural Dunlop, Rubberized Coir, and higher quality materials in the ticking/quilting than the less expensive options."
Its almost the opposite experience of number 1). There is an instant positive feeling of support and pain relief, but over time you wonder if comfort is degrading. Reasonably supportive and comfortable. Stated 5 comfort zones. 829 online..60 buck delivery charge

5. SULTAN HOLMSTA
Your review "Pocket Coil / Latex hybrid. I would avoid this. Fairly low coil density pocket coils, low density polyfoam, 80% synthetic Dunlop latex, synthetics in the quilting/ticking."
Didn't notice that much difference with 4), maybe actually more comfy feeling. Reasonably supportive and comfortable. Stated 5 comfort zones. 429 online

My take aways:
1. Its very hard to remain objective. Lots of things sub-consciously sway perception.
2. Harder than I thought to discern major differences even by laying on them for a couple minutes(as opposed to reading specs)...support, comfort, nor temperature.... don't like hot....which is pretty depressing...you would almost have to spend a night on each...which of course you cant do
3. None of the them blew me away like....ooooohhhh that feels good.....want more of that. Didn't happen at value city furniture either....even with their expensive beds.
4. I don't actually hate springs like I thought.... don't know if its just the independent "active coil" or "pocket coil" design, or all springs
5. Cant really discern major differences between solid synthetic latex, and thin synthetic blend layer over foam.
6. I could however discern difference between majority natural dunlop over majority synthetic dunlop. Natural had this more viscous liquid feel that seemed to cradle more and adjust over time.
7. Surprised how soft dunlop can be after descriptions...makes me think talalay may be too squishy for me....will need to try i guess.
8. Couldn't tell difference between 5 comfort zones or 7
9. The highest correlation in positive vibes was to firmness. Numbers 2-4 were "most firm" listed. Numbers 1 and 5 were just "firm" listed. I instantly felt more supported or pain relieved on 2-4. This makes me think knowing and having experience with the IDL or being able to choose the firmness of one or all layers is important. By specs and price you would think number 1 would automatically give the best initial warm and fuzzy....but didn't happen like that due to firmness.
10. Was pleasantly surprised by Ikea. They had hands on cutouts of all their mattresses with explanations on construction and materials. You can exchange as many times as you want for anything in the store over 90 days until satisfied. Way more consumer friendly and transparent than the bed chains I have been to.

Guess now I have to make it out to vienna and merrifield to savvy and americanfoamcenter to try some talalay and 100% natural dunlop.

The saga continues

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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 04 Dec 2012 20:54 #16

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Hi jayblackseal,

My reply to your comments are in post #4 here in your other thread.

Thanks for adding it to the Ikea thread as well.

It's one of those "good" duplicate posts :)

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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 09 Dec 2012 06:23 #17

1. SULTAN EDSELE
Your review in another thread "All latex mattress. This is 85% natural Dunlop and a wool/cotton ticking/quilting. This is one of the better Ikea choices (although the latex used is still not of the same quality as a 100% Dunlop produced in a mold by some of the better manufacturers)."
I was surprised how soft it was after all i read about dunlop hardness vs talalay. I actually felt like i was sinking in it and it didn't feel supportive or pain/pressure relieving, actually felt like it was amplifying pain initially. (this was the same experience I had with a 2" memory foam topper that someone gave me as a gift....dont know lb density of foam)
Interestingly, unlike all the others I tried, the longer I laid, the more it seemed to adjust/correct, and after some time the pain seemed to dissipate and became reasonably comfortable. Stated as 7 comfort zones.


I found it quite hard, although not like laying on solid quartz like the other latex bed near it. It was quite hard without the extra topper, and still hard with it (although bearable).

2. SULTAN ELSFJORD
Your review "All latex mattress.I would avoid this completely because it contains synthetic Dunlop with a synthetics fibers in the quilting/ticking."
This was much firmer and supportive and didn't instantly cause me pain like number 1(edsele). Didn't really notice much difference than the feel of a memory foam mattress. Reasonably supportive and comfortable. Stated as 5 comfort zones. Positive is you can take it with you....no delivery charge


I think this is the extremely hard model. If I had to lay on this for more than half a minute I probably wouldn't be able to walk. Hard beds give me middle lower back pain, which I don't get usually. I usually have back pain on the outer sides of my lower back.

Was pleasantly surprised by Ikea.

I was disappointed. But, my body isn't made for hard beds.

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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 09 Dec 2012 20:56 #18

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Hi RF,

Was pleasantly surprised by Ikea.

I was disappointed. But, my body isn't made for hard beds.


I think more than anything else this goes to show how different people and their individual perceptions really are and how important it can be for each of us to test a mattress to see how it performs and feels for us ... which may be very different from someone else.

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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 17 Dec 2012 23:00 #19

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For what it's worth, I recently checked out the IKEA latex options and here's what I found

SULTAN ELSFJORD: All latex mattress.I would avoid this completely because it contains synthetic Dunlop with a synthetics fibers in the quilting/ticking.


IKEA rates this as "most firm" and it was the only one that felt comfortable to me. Given its great price point ($599 for king) I was going to put it on my list if I could find good reviews of it. But I was worried that at only 5 1/2 inches, it might not hold up, especially since my husband and I are both on the heavy side (170lbs and 225lbs). And, as Phoenix points out, it's all synthetic Dunlop.

SULTAN EDSELE All latex mattress. This is 85% natural Dunlop and a wool/cotton ticking/quilting. This is one of the better Ikea choices (although the latex used is still not of the same quality as a 100% Dunlop produced in a mold by some of the better manufacturers).


I went expecting to love this one since it's their top end and it's mostly natural Dunlop. But I was shocked by how soft it felt (it's rated "firm" by IKEA). It was comfortable in so far as it was super cushiony, but it felt like there was no actual support underneath all that cush, and I could tell after laying on it for a good 10 minutes that my body felt too unsupported to relax properly. Definitely not for me.

SULTAN HEGGEDAL Pocket Coil / Latex hybrid. I would give some consideration to this as a "budget" mattress. Slightly higher coil count, 85% natural Dunlop, Rubberized Coir, and higher quality materials in the ticking/quilting than the less expensive options.


This is their newest one. IKEA rates it as "most firm" and the price point is $999 for a king. It felt great, although I don't know how much that great feel is the mattress by itself or the Sultan Atloy box spring they feature it paired with (which adds another $500 to the total price for a king). Would it feel the same on their much cheaper Luroy ($80) or Laxeby ($200) slatted bases on a platform bed?
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Glad to have these as a point of reference as I begin my research, and to know that two of these could be reasonable budget options, but realizing from lurking on this site that there is better value to be had out there

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Re: Ikea Latex Matresses 18 Dec 2012 01:53 #20

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Hi Yogimama,

SULTAN ELSFJORD: All latex mattress.I would avoid this completely because it contains synthetic Dunlop with a synthetics fibers in the quilting/ticking.

IKEA rates this as "most firm" and it was the only one that felt comfortable to me. Given its great price point ($599 for king) I was going to put it on my list if I could find good reviews of it. But I was worried that at only 5 1/2 inches, it might not hold up, especially since my husband and I are both on the heavy side (170lbs and 225lbs). And, as Phoenix points out, it's all synthetic Dunlop.


I'm surprised that you found this as comfortable as you did considering its thickness and firmness. IMO ... it would not be as durable as the more natural versions of Dunlop which are more elastic and more durable. It seems clear to me that you like firm mattresses though. I'd be curious to know which sleeping position you tested this with (and the others as well of course).

SULTAN EDSELE All latex mattress. This is 85% natural Dunlop and a wool/cotton ticking/quilting. This is one of the better Ikea choices (although the latex used is still not of the same quality as a 100% Dunlop produced in a mold by some of the better manufacturers).

I went expecting to love this one since it's their top end and it's mostly natural Dunlop. But I was shocked by how soft it felt (it's rated "firm" by IKEA). It was comfortable in so far as it was super cushiony, but it felt like there was no actual support underneath all that cush, and I could tell after laying on it for a good 10 minutes that my body felt too unsupported to relax properly. Definitely not for me.


Based on the shipping weight ... this would be about 85 kg/m3 or perhaps slightly less (because the cover and quilting would also be part of the weight) which would be in the medium/firm range. The seven zones (or at least some of them) would probably feel softer than an unzoned core but softness and firmness is so subjective that each person would have a different idea of what feels soft or firm. Firmer foam will also feel softer under heavier weights though so this could be part of it. Sometimes too latex can be deceptively soft but still supportive because it is so elastic it can "give" more than polyfoam even though it gets firmer faster so it can also be more supportive.

SULTAN HEGGEDAL Pocket Coil / Latex hybrid. I would give some consideration to this as a "budget" mattress. Slightly higher coil count, 85% natural Dunlop, Rubberized Coir, and higher quality materials in the ticking/quilting than the less expensive options.

This is their newest one. IKEA rates it as "most firm" and the price point is $999 for a king. It felt great, although I don't know how much that great feel is the mattress by itself or the Sultan Atloy box spring they feature it paired with (which adds another $500 to the total price for a king). Would it feel the same on their much cheaper Luroy ($80) or Laxeby ($200) slatted bases on a platform bed?


I haven't tested these in person but it would make sense to me that the box spring would have more give to it than either the Luroy or the Laxeby and would feel a little softer.

Thanks for sharing your experiences on these mattresses :)

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