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Re: Latex Mattress 16 Nov 2011 21:34 #46

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Hi Phoenix: Do you have an example of the bases you would choose from? Is a foundation still necessary? Are there any vendors that we could get a good frame and foundation from locally?

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Re: Latex Mattress 17 Nov 2011 03:24 #47

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Hi Glenn,

A latex mattress needs just a solid base with enough supportive surface to make sure that it doesn't sink through any gaps and that the base is strong enough and supported on the floor well enough to take the weight of the latex mattress and the people that sleep on it. Normally this means that a slatted wood or metal base (what you were calling a frame and I call a foundation) is the best. Both of these are rigid non flexing bases.

You can also use a more expensive tension adjustable slatted base like this , or this which typically uses thinner hardwood bowed slats and allows for the tension of the base in certain areas to be adjusted. This can fine tune the alignment on the mattress and "firm up" the support under the hips or allow the shoulders to sink down more. These work best with mattresses that are thin enough for the adjustments to be effective on the surface of the mattress.

You can also put the mattress directly on a slatted platform bed such as this as long as the slats are spaced close enough together and that the bed is supported in the middle so it doesn't sag. Putting the mattress directly on a bed means that a base or foundation isn't necessary.

There are also position adjustable bases like these which allow you to raise and lower the head and feet or turn on a vibrating massage and sometimes have all kinds of bells and whistles. These are also suitable for a latex or any "bendable" mattress as long as the weight limits of the motor are not exceeded.

Of course there are also combinations of slatted bases which are both tension adjustable and position adjustable like the legras here or the various Axel Bloom models . Ikea also makes a variety of different budget foundations including slatted bases and tension and position adjustable bases but there are mixed reviews about their durability and quality (NOTE: their adjustable foundations are no longer available).

So regardless of what you call it ... a latex mattress needs a strong and evenly supportive base with strong slats that are no more than 3" apart (preferably closer to 2") or a metal base (that you and others were calling a frame) that has enough support surface area to prevent the latex from sinking through any gaps.

Most bases (what I call a foundation) come in various height options which allow the surface of the mattress to be at a certain height. They in turn can also go on a metal or wooden bedframe. Some have attachable legs of various heights to raise them off the floor. Regardless of all of this ... the mattress needs to sit on a firm base which will not sag over time (more than it's designed to) under the weight of the mattress and the people on it.

With wood foundations ... the more wood that is used and the higher quality of the wood and construction that is used ... the more expensive they are. For example a very high quality wood foundation with wool or cotton padding on top like this , ... or this , ... or these , ... or this , is more expensive than some of the ones that you put together yourself and that use less wood or thinner wood.

Some wire grid metal platform bedframes can also work well as the metal is very strong and as long as the surface area is enough and the wires are close enough together to ensure that the mattress doesn't sag through or damage the latex ... then they would probably also be fine although they may be a little more risky for an all latex mattress in the longer term (see post #10 here ). There is a variety of different designs and some use more or less steel of different gauges so here too quality usually determines price. In many cases, steel foundations made by leggett and platt or hickory springs are placed on wooden bases and then the quality of the bases that the metal assembly is attached to is also important. Versions like the Zinus metal foundation (or the many variations that are similar) are also a less expensive option that seem to work well even though the wires are thinner.

All in all there are too many base options for me to keep track of so I prefer to help people with ideas about what to look for and in most cases I would just follow the recommendations of the manufacturer who is selling the mattress as they will know which bases work best with their mattresses.

Many local outlets will sell you a foundation (just make sure it is suitable) and a few phone calls to find out at local manufacturers or mattress outlets in your area may well be worth while as long as you can verify that the foundation is suitable for your mattress. If they don't and the outlet where you are buying your mattress doesn't have foundations that you believe are a reasonable cost ... then an online purchase makes sense to me.

Hopefully this will help sort out the foundation, base, frame, bed, platform, options for foam mattresses :)

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Re: Latex Mattress 02 Jan 2012 19:53 #48

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Hi Phoenix,

We went to the Savvy Rest dealer today and tried several different combinations. These were not blends as ours' currently is.

Dunlop Soft: 22-30
Med: 31-39
Firm: 40+
Talalay Soft: 22-24 (this was all they had with Talalay)
All layers were 3".

Our favorite was 3 layers of Dunlop with the 3" soft talalay on top. But you had recommended very soft at 15-19 which they did not have unfortunately.

Wife's side: Med-Soft-Soft
My Side: Firm-Firm-Med
3" talalay on top

We did also like the following (less cost due to 3 layers only):

Wife's Side: Med-Soft-Soft
My Side: Firm-Med-Soft

Given these results, would it make sense to add the "Rejuvenite" topper to what we have (an additional cost obvioulsy) or to start fresh with new layers? Of course, we currently have all talalay layers while these were dunlop, with the exception of the one soft (22-24 ILD) talalay layer.

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Re: Latex Mattress 03 Jan 2012 01:18 #49

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Hi Glenn,

I answered this in the other thread and it might be easier to keep it all together there. I can get confused easily if I jump from thread to thread :)

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Re: Latex Mattress 15 Apr 2012 12:45 #50

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Hello again Phoenix,

On my on going quest for the right bed for me and my fiance i took your advice and went down to akron, oh yesterday to the natural bed co. which carries savvy rest products. I liked the idea behind choosing your layers and putting them into a zip cover because your sleep preferences can change or layers can break down and instead of buying a whole new mattress you just replace the layer. The prices were a little high and i am unable to afford the bed i want form them because they do not take discover card. Also i have read some reviews about savvy rest beds having sagging issues and what not. I came to the conclusion that the split build your own layering latex is right for us because i have back issues and need a firmer feel while her back is fine and prefers a softer feel.
I was curious about the sleepez compared to the savvy rest. The sleepez prices seem to be a bit lower and have a return policy where as the natural bed co. only has a comfort guarantee. Also I like the Dunlop process in the support layers and the talalay process in the comfort layers but i dont see having the combo on the sleepez site and is there a difference in the quallity or latex both these companies use?

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Re: Latex Mattress 15 Apr 2012 13:47 #51

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Hi Immortal216,

The sleepez prices seem to be a bit lower and have a return policy where as the natural bed co. only has a comfort guarantee.


I'm not so sure I would call the difference a "bit" (there is a significant difference) but you are correct which is why I have often mentioned that Savvy rest is high quality and great for testing layering combinations but not so great value.

Savvy Rest offers 100% natural Talalay from Latex International and 100% natural Dunlop from CoCo latex and the layers can be mixed and matched.

SleepEz offers blended Talalay and 100% natural Talalay from both Latex International and Radium. Their Dunlop is also 100% natural from Latex Green (which is equivalent to CoCo latex IMO) and you can mix and match these as well in any of the layers. In other words their selection of materials is much greater than Savvy Rest.

The regular wool quilted zip cover on both would be equivalent quality although SleepEz offers options (such as a non quilted ticking) that Savvy rest doesn't.

Hope this helps

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Re: Latex Mattress 15 Apr 2012 23:28 #52

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It helps greatly i plan on ordering my bed from sleepez as soon as the bed frame comes in a few weeks the information you give continues to astonish me and it was by pure chance that i found this site i believe if everyone who was shopping for a bed found this site the "bigger" manufactures would be force to produce higher quality beds for cheaper prices and stop telling stories.

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Re: Latex Mattress 16 Apr 2012 18:32 #53

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Hi immortal216,

i believe if everyone who was shopping for a bed found this site the "bigger" manufactures would be force to produce higher quality beds for cheaper prices and stop telling stories.


Now that would be a good thing!

Thanks for the kind words :)

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Re: Latex Mattress 18 Apr 2012 22:57 #54

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SleepEz, Rockymountain, flobeds...

Agony of choice.

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Re: Latex Mattress 19 Apr 2012 00:27 #55

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Hi Karamba,

I certainly understand the "agony"

I think it took me longer to choose between all the final details and go from a few to one than it did to exclude many dozens of possible choices and narrow things down to the final few.

If you make a list of things that are important to you it may make it easier. Things such as ...

Which one is closer (or can be made closer) to the design of mattresses I have tested and know might work well for me?

Are the differences in materials such as natural Talalay vs blended Talalay vs Natural Dunlop important to me for it's own sake and which choices would I prefer?

Do any price differences (everything included and set up in the bedroom) give me options or value that is important to me?

Am I paying for options or features that I either need or don't need?

How confident am I that I know what I want and how much do I need to rely on the skills and knowledge of the outlet.

What are the exchange or return policies including any costs involved if any?

Did I connect more with one outlet in my phone conversations than with the others.

Once you have the answers to these (and any others that are important to you) you are in a much better position to evaluate which choice may be best for you.

I know you probably know this but two of the three are members of this site which means that telling them you are a member of The Mattress Underground (because you've made a post on the forum) would entitle you to an additional 5% discount on your mattress.

The good news is that your last few choices are all better than the final choices that most people make when they purchase a mattress :)

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Re: Latex Mattress 15 Jul 2012 18:14 #56

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can you recommend anyone in the Birmingham, AL area to talk to ?

My wife has me watching a Serta infomercial on QVC - aaarrrggghhh !

we've looked at iComfort, Sealy OptiCool, Tempurpedic, and my head is spinning ...

meant to tell you - thanks in advance for your input; it's obvious that you have great interest in and dedication to getting out some much-needed info to those of us who want it badly

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Re: Latex Mattress 15 Jul 2012 20:54 #57

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Hi golfnBear,

The first thing I would suggest is to ask your wife to read this article . It will help you avoid most of the worst choices you could make (mass market outlets and major brands).

I would also consider turning off the power in your home whenever a mattress commercial comes on TV :)

Buying a mattress based on advertising and marketing information is a sure way to end up with lower quality materials and lower value.

In the Birmingham area there is one local factory direct manufacturer (which would be your "best" choice of outlet) and a couple of retail outlets that are "possibilities" but you would need to "interview" them first along the lines of this article to make sure they had the knowledge and skill to "fit" you to a mattress that really was your best choice (and not "their" best choice) and were able and willing to give you the information about the layers in their mattresses (including the density of any polyfoam and memory foam) so that you would have a way to make meaningful comparisons and know the "weak link" of your mattress. Without knowing the "quality specs" of the materials in a mattress that you are considering ... there is no way to know it's quality, how long it may last, or how it compares to other mattresses in terms of value.

The factory direct outlet is ...

www.royalbeddinginc.com/ Local factory direct outlet. I know and have talked with Tom the owner here many times and I think very highly of him and his wife. They make or carry a full range of mattresses (including a new double sided all latex mattress) and all of them in every price range would have better quality and value than anything else you are likely to encounter in your area. The only reason I would go elsewhere would be if for some reason there was nothing that they made that "fit" you for PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) or if you wanted to make a comparison with other mattresses.

The two retail outlets that I would consider as "possibilities" (again depending on their knowledge, and their willingness and ability to let you know what was inside their mattresses unless you had the ability to find out on the internet) and the brands they carry that would be worth including in your research include ...

www.ensleyfairfieldmattress.com/ Pure Talalay Bliss Talalay latex mattresses, King Koil Extended Life (these tend to use better materials), King Koil World Luxury, Park Place. I would make sure to find out the complete specifications of any model you might consider, especially for the Park Place or World Luxury mattresses.

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Hope this helps

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Re: Latex Mattress 25 Jun 2013 05:42 #58

Need help, we live in Florence, AL 35634. Looking for a new mattress, my wife is a stomach sleeper, I'm a side sleeper and occasionally a back sleeper( if the mattress allows which doesn't happen much) We currently sleep on a S beauty rest pillow top, now collapsed. I wake up sore every morning.

While staying out of town I've slept on my dads comforpedic (slept good even on my back) and also on his tempurpedic(also slept good). I tried several of the tempurpedic beds in the store but I'm scared of the mobility while in bed and also the discussion of heat retention. I really like the feel of the icomfort from Big S but not sure this is what I want after smelling the off gassing in the store.

I'm intrigued by latex because of it natural properties and have been to my local store to try the Pure Latex Bliss, I was ready to pull the trigger but they do not have any type of return policy.

We have an adjustable king bed and I'm afraid of any of these internet order layered beds because if you keep adjusting the bed it seems like a problem waiting to happen with unglued layers. I found this forum and visited some of the latex links you placed here but I'm real leery of non glued layers and also ordering online.

Im 5'10 165 my wife 5'5 125 early 40's I like med firm beds, too soft makes by back hurt.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Latex Mattress 25 Jun 2013 12:33 #59

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Hi MikeK,

The first place I would start your mattress research is post #1 here which has the basic information, steps, and guidelines that will be most helpful to you.

Post #2 here (centered on Huntsville) has a list of the better options and possibilities that are in reasonable driving distance that I'm aware of (this includes a search around Florence as well).

We have an adjustable king bed and I'm afraid of any of these internet order layered beds because if you keep adjusting the bed it seems like a problem waiting to happen with unglued layers. I found this forum and visited some of the latex links you placed here but I'm real leery of non glued layers and also ordering online.


I can certainly understand the hesitation with ordering online because of the additional risk involved in choosing a mattress that you haven't tested in person and I would always start your research with local manufacturers and/or retailers. If you did decide to go in the direction of an online purchase though ... having independent layers which you can choose individually is a way to lower the risk of an online purchase and allows for flexibility of design before and after a purchase so you can use your sleeping experience as a testing ground and fine tune the mattress based on your actual sleeping experience. Latex is very "sticky" and doesn't shift when it is inside a tight fitting cover and shifting isn't an issue in normal use. Even if you move the mattress on its side and the layers do shift, it only takes a minute or two to unzip the cover and "wave" them back into position.

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Latex Mattress 12 Feb 2014 01:34 #60

We have decided to go with all natural latex mattress after sleeping on queen size spring mattress for many years, would like to get some recommendations based on the following criteria:

  • California King, split (left/right) with adjustable base
  • I am 157 lbs, 5ft 10inches and my wife is 125 lbs, 5ft 4 inches
  • I have some lower back degenerated disks
  • I sleep on my side while my wife sleeps on her side or back

  • Below are my initial questions:
    1. What density and thickness should I consider for both sides?
    2. Should I also consider different density for shoulder, hip and feet areas?
    3. I live in San Diego area and only found one dealer who has latex beds from Savvy Rest and Sharper Image (coil core and latex top) which I tested, are there others locally which I can test or purchase from.

    Thank you for your help.

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