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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 11:19 #31

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Thanks Mattresses To Go for the correction and information.

We are looking for the TWO page Material Health Certificate however.

It would be the updated version of the Silver rated document that can be viewed here;


It would helpful to get the new updated document or just a simple explanation as to the difference between the Silver and Gold.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 11:22 #32

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Hi rubyred,

We understand the Silver rated Talalay Latex by Radium Foam will be ending and instead a Gold rated product will be produced.


If you scroll back to post #16 in this topic you will see that Radium has already received the C2C Gold certification for their 100% natural talalay.

Can anyone supply us with a Material Health Certificate for the new Gold rated product? If not, can anyone just tell us the difference between the Silver and the Gold? Someone suggested in might all be in the environmental category. Is that correct?


As I understand it the Material Health Certificate is included as part of the gold product certification and isn't issued separately if you have the product certification. Their scorecard is here and their gold product certificate is here . You can see the differences between the C2C Silver product certification and the Gold product certifications in section 2.4 in this document . You can also see the VOC testing limits for the Gold material health certification in section 3.9 of the same document.

There is also more about the differences between the different levels of the Material Health certification here .

Also, typically how long will the new product be made? For example, how long was the Silver produced? 2,3,5 years?


This really isn't possible to answer because its not possible to know which certification a formulation that was used prior to the time a material was submitted to a certifying agency would have qualified for or which certification any potential future formulation would qualify for. The C2C certification is based on a process of continuous evaluation and improvement and the only higher certification would be a platinum but it's not really possible to predict when or if a product will meet a higher certification until it actually happens.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 11:35 #33

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Thanks Phoenix.

The info in section 2.4 is exactly what we were looking for.

Below is a link to the two page Material Health Certificate for the Silver rated Radium Foam product.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 11:53 #34

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Hi rubyred,

I've emailed my contact at Radium and asked them whether there is a 2 page gold certificate that is equivalent to the silver certificate that you linked and I'll let you know as soon as I receive a reply.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 12:34 #35

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Wow. Its truly impressive how much knowledge and how many contacts you have in every aspect of the mattress industry.

If we can't get the new updated Gold MHC version so we can compare at-a-glance with ease, we just have one question that might clarify everything for us. Let me present it to you;

Please see the attached chart and specific category "Formulation Optimized" where we have added a green arrow, third from the bottom. The chart is from section 2.4 of the C2C pdf you provided to us.

What we don't understand is that the chart indicates there's a difference between Silver and Gold in this specific category (i.e. all of 'X' -assessed chemicals replaced or phased out") but according to the Silver certificate there are no "X" materials in the Silver. The Silver just consists of "C" and "Grey". How could the "X" have been phased out if it did not exist in the Silver to begin with?

Here is the Silver certificate to verify there is no "X"
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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 12:35 #36

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Hi rubyred,

I received a reply and confirmed that there is no need for a separate 2 page certificate at the Gold level because at the Gold level there are no chemicals that are either unknown or unknown in their effects, X rated (harmful chemicals that need to be phased out), or banned chemicals in the formulation. The Gold level tests for 100% of the chemicals in the formulation rather than the 95% at the Silver level so it isn't necessary.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 13:05 #37

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Wow that was quick.

So just to clarify;
They are testing 100% of the product instead of 95% (or 99.4%) so nothing is unknown any longer.

The rest of the Silver cert would remain the same? No difference in "chemical substances" (23) and "Product Optimization" would be unchanged in the Yellow status, but Grey status (unknown chemicals) is eliminated? Do we have it right?

This helps us greatly.
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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 13:56 #38

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Hi rubyred,

Please see the attached chart and specific category "Formulation Optimized" where we have added a green arrow, third from the bottom. The chart is from section 2.4 of the C2C pdf you provided to us.

What we don't understand is that the chart indicates there's a difference between Silver and Gold in this specific category (i.e. all of 'X' -assessed chemicals replaced or phased out") but according to the Silver certificate there are no "X" materials in the Silver. The Silver just consists of "C" and "Grey". How could the "X" have been phased out if it did not exist in the Silver to begin with?


The Gold certification requires that every chemical is rated either A or B or C so there are no longer any chemicals that are on the banned list, or are rated X (regardless of whether they were on the banned list) or any chemicals that are unknown (grey) either in terms of what they are or in terms of their effects.

The previous silver certification included 1 unknown (grey) chemical and none that were on the banned list or were rated as an X but the single "unknown" would have been enough to prevent the Gold certification. They may have made additional changes to the formulation since their Silver certification was upgraded to Gold as well which of course would be proprietary to anyone except Radium and EPEA (the certifying agency) because latex manufacturers don't disclose their exact formulation to the public.

-They are testing 100% of the product instead of 95% (or 99.4%) ?
-If they did do a new cert, would the two or three unchecked boxes (see attached) now be checked?


Based on my understanding and on the C2C guidelines, two of the three check boxes you mentioned would now be checked and the last one for process chemicals would be part of the Platinum certification. At the current time they are the only latex manufacturer to have reformulated and/or confirmed that their formulation even meets the Gold certification (in addition to the other requirements for the Gold certification) which is an accomplishment that took some time and effort on the part of Radium because the Gold certification is very stringent.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 14:34 #39

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Got it.

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100% Natural Talalay Latex 14 Apr 2016 15:15 #40

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Hi rubyred,

Could you confirm with your contact that what does remain the same is the 22 chem's in the Yellow category?


I am satisfied with the extensive information that they have already provided and I personally have no doubts or questions about whether there are any "unsafe" materials or chemicals in their Talalay and that they are all in the A, B, or C. category (which has already been mentioned as a requirement for the Gold certification) so knowing the specific number of chemicals in their formulation would have no meaning to me and would have no bearing on the safety of their latex.

If you do wish to know the number of chemicals in their formulation for some reason then you can certainly contact them at their contact page here and they would provide you with any information that they are willing to disclose to consumers although I don't see what the point of knowing the specific number of chemicals would be.

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