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Re: Best Natural Latex Value for Me? 10 Jan 2012 17:23 #16

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Hi jdog,

Also to set the record straight, the Lebeda mattress is 1" talalay latex on each side of a 6" latex core. The salesman was sure there had to be polyfoam for the 1" layers until he decided to call someone. I didn't make him re-call to find out the ILD's that aren't published on their summary sheet. It didn't seem my store was interested in customization of any type.


There is a wide variety of different levels of value and levels of "custom building' between different manufacturers. There is also a wide variety of different levels of knowledge and service between them and this is particularly true with some factory direct outlets with multiple locations where some locations are better than others. As a group ... local manufacturers provide much better value, quality, and service than other choices but within this group there are exceptions and there are also better and worse choices within the "better" group.

I know it's been mentioned that a quilted cover firms up the feel of the comfort layer. If soft - medium - firm layers from sleepez is typical/recommended for our profiles with a wool/cotton quilted cover, do you think a more firm configuration would be typical using the stretch cover? I'm hoping to avoid layer swap(s) if we can and am concerned about the comfort layer being to soft...


Like most things connected to mattress materials and construction ... the real answer here is more complex than it may seem on the surface and boils down to "it depends". What it depends on is individual perception, different weight distributions and body profiles, and on the fact that a layer (including the ticking/quilting) will have different effects on different layers below it.

For example ... even the firmest layer of wool would provide some cushioning if you were lying on the floor. That same wool layer may reduce the cushioning if it was on top of a very soft surface like a very soft gel. This is because in one case it is softer than the floor and would increase the surface area that was bearing the load. In the other case it would decrease the surface area that was bearing the load compared to what the gel alone may do. In the same way ... a more or less stretchy or relatively firmer material either in the quilting or the ticking could reduce the ability of the material underneath it to form a deep enough cradle to adequately relieve pressure or conversely it could better allow for the best possible pressure relieving cradle of the material underneath it. The thickness of the wool and how much it was compressed and the amount of its resilience would also make a difference here.

The softer the foam on top of a mattress and the deeper someone tends to sink in to the top layers ... the more the quilting/ticking can affect how the mattress performs and feels to them. Firmer less stretchy quilting/ticking materials in other words will will tend to have a bigger effect on softer comfort layers and on people who need a deeper cradle to provide the best pressure relief. For those who prefer firmer or thinner comfort layers which are "not quite enough" for that particular individual ... a thicker quilting can help distribute pressure just enough to put them inside their optimal range. For those who use a thicker softer comfort layer which is "just enough" for optimal pressure relief for their needs and preferences ... adding a wool quilted ticking may put them on "the other side of optimal". For those who are in the middle of their optimal range and have room to spare in either direction ... then both types would likely still work well for them. This is why you see so many conflicting opinions from different people about the effect of the same material added or removed from the same type of mattress.

Part of the problem too ... and this goes to your other question in the other thread which I have yet to get to ... is that softness and firmness can be very misleading terms. IMO ... it's much more accurate to talk in terms of pressure relief and alignment which are separate yet interconnected functions and soft and firm have different meanings when applied to each. A mattress in other words can be both too soft and too firm (or the other way around) at the same time depending on which function a person is talking about.

So in essence ... a non quilted more stretchy cover will improve the pressure relief potential of a mattress with softer foam for most people. Wool quilting will tend towards reducing it with soft layers of foam in the comfort layers again for most people. Because the upper layers have a smaller secondary effect on alignment (most of the alignment properties of a mattress comes from the support layers assuming the comfort layers are an appropriate thickness) ... it can also make a small difference here as well which will be more noticeable for those who are on the "edge" of the best alignment and use the ticking/quilting of a mattress to "fine tune" them into their optimal range.

So I doubt that the more stretch non quilted ticking would make your mattress too soft because the layering is within the range of what would be most appropriate for most people of your body weight and shape that were side sleepers. If you were right on the edge however of crossing over the threshhold of the the ability of a mattress to hold up your hips which were "almost" sinking in too far, it could put you over the line for best alignment. If on the other hand your shoulders were "on the edge" and being held up too high by the comfort layer ticking/quilting combination and not quite sinking in far enough either for alignment or pressure relief (even though the heavier hips were) ... then it could actually improve both pressure relief and overall alignment.

So whether either type of quilting/ticking would keep you in the optimal range of both pressure relief and alignment would depend on whether you felt you were "on the edge" in either area or "well within" your optimal range.

One other consideration to take into account is that for those who like to sleep on wool ... there is always the option of adding a wool quilted mattress protector instead of a more basic mattress protector without any wool or other fibers and this would be "similar" to a wool quilted ticking although even here because it would not be as integrated into the structure of the mattress and would more easily pull in from the sides ... it would not have quite the same effect as having wool in the quilting.

I know that this was probably a longer and possibly more complex reply than you were hoping for but I always believe that it's better to help people understand the "direction" each change can lead to and the reasons why rather than provide more black and white answers that don't necessarily apply to any individual.

Phoenix
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