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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 20 Feb 2015 12:18 #1

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I've been researching/reading various reviews I can find on the above 3 manufacturers of "bed in a box" mattresses. They all seem to have good trial periods and you can return if you don't like for a full refund. In my research, I found that Tuft & Needle redesigned their foam at the end of last year to make the mattress softer than previously. I know that firmness/softness is often in the eyes of the individual as it can vary from person to person. I didn't know if anyone here had experience with all 3 of the above that could give me a rough idea of the level of firmness each offers in comparison to the other? One site I came across rated the Casper as a 5 (10 being hardest) and the Leesa/T&N at a 6.
Also, for members that have one of these, even if you don't have experience with the other 2, I would be curious to hear your experience (how you rate firmness, customer service, durability (so far), etc.

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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 20 Feb 2015 14:33 #2

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Hi toddstrawser,

I don't have any personal experience with any of them but there is more information in post #3 here that can help you compare them based on the type and quality of the materials that they use.

Hopefully some of the members here that have experience with more than one of these will see your post and share their experiences. I don't know anyone that has posted on the forum that has compared the Leesa mattress to the other two on the forum (and I would be cautious with the Leesa because of the 3 lb memory foam that they use) ... but there are a few that have tried both the Casper and the Tuft & Needle here and here and here and here . A forum search on Casper Tuft Needle (you can just click the link) will also bring up all the forum posts that mention both of them.

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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 20 Feb 2015 15:40 #3

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Phoenix linked to one of my old posts, thanks for that, comparing my short time on a Casper, and our new Tuft and Needle.

A couple of other thoughts:

Comparing the Casper and Tuft and Needle is very difficult- the surface is very different. The Capser is more "lively" springy, the Tuft and Needle, not so much- somewhere here on MU, I called it a "dead" surface, but hate to use that word, what I mean by that, is there's not real "bounce" and almost no motion transfer in the mattress. I guess it's more similar to memory foam in that respect, but without the "sinking" feeling of memory foam.

both are firm, but they feel so different, I wouldn't know how to give either of them a firmness "number" rating.

And they both feel very different than any innerspring mattress I've owned. So if you're used to an innerspring mattress, I suspect most people would immediately feel that these are different.

The Tuft and Needle I'd "rate" on the firm end of medium-firm, and the Capser is strange- even though to my body, I felt the top surface to be immediately "softer" than the Tuft and Needle, the longer I laid on the mattress, the firmer it felt...

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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 20 Feb 2015 19:27 #4

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Sheep123,

Thanks for your reply. It sounds difficult for you to rate the firmness feel (to you) between the 2. (while the Casper felt soft at first, it felt more firm the more you laid on it, etc).

I think you ended up returning the Casper and you still have the TN, correct? What was your basis for that decision? Did it have to do with the firmness feel of the Casper or due to possible aches you felt after sleeping on it?

Note: I have had the Leesa for a month (I figure that's a decent amount of time to get used to it (and my previous mattress was a memory foam mattress). My feeling of the Leesa is that it's firm (that I'm sleeping ON more than IN it. I have slept OK but my wife has complained of shoulder/neck pain since getting it (could be pillow maybe but she had the same pillows previously with no issues).

I can probably be fine with either the Casper/T&N but was trying to see if I could figure out which may work better for her. While you do get to try them out and can return them, having to do that a few times can be a real pain.

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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 21 Feb 2015 07:39 #5

I only have the Tuft & Needle, and have now slept on it for one full week. If you search Sheep123's posts they describe my problems almost to the T.

This definitely is not the same mattress it was a week ago, but it is still way too firm. And even though it is "softer" than a week ago, the back ache and pain continues. The entire reason I started looking is because I was beginning to experience a small amount of lower back pain from a 20 yr. old pillow top. Right now I wish I had my old one back. My lower back pain has gotten worse, and I can now add pain between the shoulders to the list. I cannot imagine the other two are firmer than this one.

I did walk on the mattress several times per Sheep's directions, and it helps - just not enough. Put a 2 1/2" latex topper on it last night and still no better. I suppose it is possible I could "learn" to love it like Sheep did, but not willing to tolerate this for another month. Not the mattress for me.

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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 21 Feb 2015 09:03 #6

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So why did the 2 1/2 latex topper not work? I am in the same boat. My back pain is about the same than my 20 years old pillow top. We did not get rid of our old mattress yet in a spare room. Still feel like I am on top of a brick had for 6 nights now.

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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 21 Feb 2015 10:16 #7

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Basil- I don't know what to tell you, except that for me personally, I've never had lower back pain on this mattress, even in the first week, which is common for me on many other mattresses. Maybe the mattress isn't a good match for you.

As far as the scapular pain- that could be a pillow issue- scapular and neck pain are symptoms of a pillow issue as I learned here. I had this on the Tuft and Needle in the beginning, and switching pillows made a huge difference. I appreciate hotels that have gone to having a "soft" and "fIrm" pillow selection- sometimes i choose the soft, sometimes the firm, depending on the mattress in the room...

I hope you can figure something out. I put a 1" latex topper on my Tuft and Needle and it made things worse for me, but I hope your attempts at adding a topper work for you. I think Phoenix recommends no changes for at least the first few weeks, as it can take that long for the mattress to break in and our body to adjust.

Although I know how much it stinks to have pain at night from a mattress. Our last latex/innerspring mattress was uncomfortable to me from day 1, and I had pain on that mattress for 6 years. I actually moved onto the guest futon for 4 years.

I hope you figure something out, good luck!

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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 21 Feb 2015 12:03 #8

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Todd,

If you look back at my previous post that Phoenix linked to, you will see it was my friend who had the Casper, not me.

And if you read through the various threads here, you will find that the "one size fits all mattreeses" really are not.

I love my new Tuft and Needle, we just passed the 9 week mark. I am sleeping with no pain. I am absolutely shocked. I have back, neck and muscle problems that make finding a comfortable slept good surface a big challenge. I was expecting the Tuft and Needle not to work for me, but gave it a shot because my body seems to respond best to regular poly foam, instead of latex or memory foam, the price was good, and easy order and refund if things didn't work out. Glad i got to try my friend's Casper, i was able to rule that one out because i developed shoulder pressure point pain after just 15 minutes on the mattress. Lucky for me, and a surprise to me, the TN is pretty much perfect for my body. But this won't hold true for everyone, we all respond to mattresses differently.

Yet, there are some people that return their TN because it isn't the best fit for them.

I haven't read much about what the Leesa mattress feels like, so can't give you any comparisons to the TN or Casper.

Good luck!

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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 21 Feb 2015 15:12 #9

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Hi Nynygirl77,

So why did the 2 1/2 latex topper not work? I am in the same boat. My back pain is about the same than my 20 years old pillow top. We did not get rid of our old mattress yet in a spare room. Still feel like I am on top of a brick had for 6 nights now.


The most common reasons why a latex topper (or any topper) doesn't "work" on a particular mattress that is too firm but doesn't have any sagging is that either the thickness or firmness isn't suitable for a particular mattress or a person's body type or sleeping style or they don't like the more resilient "feel" of latex.

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Tuft & Needle, Casper & Leesa? 21 Feb 2015 17:09 #10

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I have had the T&N 10" for two weeks. I am very pleased. My original concern was that any foam mattress would be too soft, but the T&N pretty much lives up to what I had read from others who indicated it was indeed quite firm.

For starters, it just feels weird when you are used to sleeping on a spring mattress. Weird in a good way. Indeed it is firm. In fact, from the first time I laid on it until last night every time I lay down I think to myself "This is too firm and is like sleeping on something hard". But that's when the weird thing happens...it goes from too firm to "just right" in just a couple minutes. It's really hard to explain. Very comfortable once it "adjusts" to you but feels too firm before it does.

I know I am not making a believer out of you with my strange description, but it's really pretty cool to experience it.

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