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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 17 Feb 2015 00:26 #16

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Hi FAUguy,

Since the Series 4 and 5 looked identical, except the label on the top of the mattress was a different style, and both had the same quilting on the top...the only difference could be the latex layers.


Hopefully they changed the quality/density of the polyfoam layers on top of the latex in the first 4 versions of their mattress. You can read more about the Pranasleep mattresses in post #3 here and in post #2 here and in post #3 here and in posts #1 and #2 here and a forum search on Prana (you can just click this) will also bring up more information and feedback about them as well. As you can see I would be very cautious here because of the thicker layers of lower quality/density materials they have tended to use in the top layers of their mattress which could be a weak link in the mattress.

I asked the sales man about medium or firm on the bottom, and he said that if the Beautiful was to firm for me, then he wouldn't recommend a medium or firm bottom on the Savvy. But the first swap-out would be free.


You can see the specs of the Beautiful in post #2 here but the materials in the top 6" or so of a mattress (which is 14 ILD and 24 ILD in the Beautiful which are softer than the two soft layers in the Savvy Rest) will have a bigger effect on how a mattress feels for most people than the deeper layers in the mattress.

There is more about primary or "deep" support and secondary or "surface" support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the "roles" of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between "support" and "pressure relief" and "feel".

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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 17 Feb 2015 09:31 #17

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I got an email back from Prana. The only difference between the 4th and 5th generation is that they are now using a denser 2.5 IDL foam on the top instead of 1.5.
"The fifth generation has a 2.5 density foam instead of a 1.5 density foam in the quilting layer of the mattress. The higher density foam will give more resiliency and less body impression. The ILD of the foam is the same in each generation allowing the same comfort in both."

When I asked about the price increase, I was told
"The price increase would include the difference in pricing of latex and other materials over the past couple of years since the last price increase."

And when looking at the increase, it is about $1500-2000 depending on the model and size!
The Super Vinyasa 4th Gen Cal King with base had a MSRP of $5600, which I could get on sale for $4700. The Super Vinyasa 5th MSRP is $1500 more. The Samadhi 4th Gen was MSRP $6500 and the 5th gen is $8400, $1900 more.
Those are pretty big price increases.
But even the Jordan's site now lists the 5th Gen Super Vinyasa, and lists it with a 3" foam top at 2.5 lbs, 1" soft latex, 2" medium latex, 6" latex core, and 1" 1.45lbs foam bottom, which equals the 13" total. But out of it only 9" is latex, which is surprising at these prices. The Samadhi only adds one more inch of soft latex at the top for 14" total...which is probably why it felt the best to me between the Prana models.


www.jordans.com/pranasleep-super-vinyasa-luxury-plush-pran-60009

For the Beautiful model, your link says it is 3" 15 IDL, 3" 24 IDL, 6" 36IDL. Do you know what the different IDLs are for the latex used by Savvy and Sleep EZ? You say that is softer than the Savvy...but to me when I was on the Savvy that had all 3 layers of soft, it felt softer than the Beautiful.

One concern about the Sleep EZ is that you have to assemble it yourself. I has surgery a couple month back, and can't really so that, so my friend would have to. How involved is putting it together, since the foundation shows it has wooden slats?
Edit: After watching the assembly videos, I see the latex mattress is easy to put together, but the bottom wooden support seems that it might be a "weak link" as it is just held together with bolts and wing-nuts with velcro on the top wooden slats.

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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 17 Feb 2015 15:54 #18

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So I found out today I could get the 4th Gen Prana Samadhi for $5700, which is $1000 more than the Super Vinyasa. They are only going to be making the 4th Gen until they run out of the supplies aand then will on have the 5th Gen at the much higher prices.

I'm going to a different Mattress Xperts later this week to try out the Savvy again and hopefully get a better feel for it.
I like the pricing of the Sleep Ez more, even if it requires assembly. Do both the Savvy and Sleep EZ have comparable IDL with each other? I'm trying to see why the Savvy is about twice the price since it seems both are the same design.

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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 17 Feb 2015 16:16 #19

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Hi FAUguy,

I got an email back from Prana. The only difference between the 4th and 5th generation is that they are now using a denser 2.5 IDL foam on the top instead of 1.5.
"The fifth generation has a 2.5 density foam instead of a 1.5 density foam in the quilting layer of the mattress. The higher density foam will give more resiliency and less body impression. The ILD of the foam is the same in each generation allowing the same comfort in both."


I'm glad to see that they finally removed the lower quality materials in their previous generations and replaced them with a higher quality/density and more durable version of polyfoam which would no longer be a potential "weak link" in their mattress in terms of durability and the useful life of their mattress.

When I asked about the price increase, I was told
"The price increase would include the difference in pricing of latex and other materials over the past couple of years since the last price increase."

And when looking at the increase, it is about $1500-2000 depending on the model and size!
The Super Vinyasa 4th Gen Cal King with base had a MSRP of $5600, which I could get on sale for $4700. The Super Vinyasa 5th MSRP is $1500 more. The Samadhi 4th Gen was MSRP $6500 and the 5th gen is $8400, $1900 more.
Those are pretty big price increases.
But even the Jordan's site now lists the 5th Gen Super Vinyasa, and lists it with a 3" foam top at 2.5 lbs, 1" soft latex, 2" medium latex, 6" latex core, and 1" 1.45lbs foam bottom, which equals the 13" total. But out of it only 9" is latex, which is surprising at these prices. The Samadhi only adds one more inch of soft latex at the top for 14" total...which is probably why it felt the best to me between the Prana models.


With the change in foam quality/density of their 5th generation then there would be no cause for concern with the durability or useful life of their mattresses and if you have done some careful testing to confirm that the mattress you are considering is a good match for you in terms of PPP then you would have covered two of the three most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase that are listed in post #13 here (suitability and durability).

Of course I would still make some very careful "value" comparisons between the Prana and other mattresses or the other "finalists" you are considering that use similar types, thicknesses, and quality of materials based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you including the price and the options you have available both before and after a purchase to customize the mattress or exchange the mattress or individual layers if the choice you make doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for. I would always be very cautious once you are above about $3000 (queen size mattress only) or the equivalent in a king size (about $3500 - $4000 mattress only) so that you have a compelling reason to buy a mattress in this price range that makes sense to you and that would make the additional cost vs the other options you have available "worth it" to you.

For the Beautiful model, your link says it is 3" 15 IDL, 3" 24 IDL, 6" 36IDL. Do you know what the different IDLs are for the latex used by Savvy and Sleep EZ? You say that is softer than the Savvy...but to me when I was on the Savvy that had all 3 layers of soft, it felt softer than the Beautiful.


Savvy Rest doesn't provide the ILD's for their layers but the general range is in post #2 here . The ILD range for SleepEZ is near the bottom of this page.

Softness/firmness is very subjective and relative to each person and a mattress that feels soft for one person may feel firm for another depending on how their body type, weight distribution, and sleeping style interacts with all the layers and components of a mattress and their own individual sensitivity. There are also different types of softness/firmness that some people may be more or less sensitive to (see post #15 here ). The comfort and transition layers in the PLB Beautiful would be softer overall than the Savvy Rest but for some people the softer bottom layer (in spite of the alignment risks involved) may "translate" into an "all soft" Savvy rest feeling softer to them even though it may not feel softer for other people.

One concern about the Sleep EZ is that you have to assemble it yourself. I has surgery a couple month back, and can't really so that, so my friend would have to. How involved is putting it together, since the foundation shows it has wooden slats?
Edit: After watching the assembly videos, I see the latex mattress is easy to put together, but the bottom wooden support seems that it might be a "weak link" as it is just held together with bolts and wing-nuts with velcro on the top wooden slats.


Assembling a component mattress such as SleepEZ or Savvy Rest is generally a fairly simple process but it would be much easier with two people. The foundation is easy for one person to put together and is made specifically for latex mattresses and would certainly be suitable and strong enough for an all latex mattress and it wouldn't be a "weak link" in your sleeping system.

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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 17 Feb 2015 21:09 #20

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I would like to keep the pricing as close to $4000 (or under) if possible.
The Prana Super Vinyasa at $4700 is a stretch, but the Samadhi at $5800 is really more than I am lookig to spend on a mattress. The new 5th Gens are just out of ballpark with their price increase.

But the more I think about it, even though I like how the Samadhi felt, I am concerned about the 1.5lbs on the top 3", and there is nno way to replace any layers on the mattress. At least with the Savvy or Sleep EZ it doesn't have foam on the top and the layers can be replaced.

I see from you link the latex layers are about equal between Savvy and Sleep EZ. For example, if I tried out a Savvy that is soft/soft/medium, then chances are a Sleep EZ with the same configuration would feel about the same.

What I am thinking is to try out the Savvy again later with week at the other store that can swap them out, find which configuration I like best, and order that configuration from Sleep EZ.
My question (or concern) is if there is any difference in quality or reliability between Savvy and Sleep EZ? As I'm trying to figure out why the price of the Sleep EZ is half (as the saying goes you get what you pay for, and even though the price is attractive, I'd hate to get it, not like it, return and go with Savvy or Prana...with all that hassle.)

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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 17 Feb 2015 22:00 #21

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Hi FAUguy,

I would like to keep the pricing as close to $4000 (or under) if possible.
The Prana Super Vinyasa at $4700 is a stretch, but the Samadhi at $5800 is really more than I am lookig to spend on a mattress. The new 5th Gens are just out of ballpark with their price increase.

But the more I think about it, even though I like how the Samadhi felt, I am concerned about the 1.5lbs on the top 3", and there is nno way to replace any layers on the mattress. At least with the Savvy or Sleep EZ it doesn't have foam on the top and the layers can be replaced.


I would also be concerned about the lower density polyfoam in their previous versions as well and I would consider it to be a potential weak link that could lead to premature foam softening and breakdown or sagging. Lower quality/density materials really don't belong in a mattress in this budget range and I'm glad to see that they improved the quality/density of the polyfoam in the new design.

I see from you link the latex layers are about equal between Savvy and Sleep EZ. For example, if I tried out a Savvy that is soft/soft/medium, then chances are a Sleep EZ with the same configuration would feel about the same.

What I am thinking is to try out the Savvy again later with week at the other store that can swap them out, find which configuration I like best, and order that configuration from Sleep EZ.


SleepEZ and other component latex manufacturers would be able to give you good guidance about which of the options they have available would be closest to the Savvy Rest mattress that was the best "match" for you.

My question (or concern) is if there is any difference in quality or reliability between Savvy and Sleep EZ? As I'm trying to figure out why the price of the Sleep EZ is half (as the saying goes you get what you pay for, and even though the price is attractive, I'd hate to get it, not like it, return and go with Savvy or Prana...with all that hassle.)


There is no difference in the quality or durability of the latex in either mattress. SleepEZ provides the option to choose either 100% natural Dunlop or 100% natural or blended Talalay in their layers (and they can special order organic dunlop) and there are 4 firmness choices while Savvy Rest has the option for 100% natural Dunlop that is certified organic or 100% natural Talalay in three firmness choices. The covers would also be slightly different as well (see post #31 here ). There is also more about the different types and blends of latex including organic Dunlop in post #6 here .

This is one of those cases where the price of the mattress doesn't reflect a significant or meaningful difference in quality and Savvy Rest is generally priced higher than a number of other manufacturers that also use similar types and blends of latex and have a similar cover and a similar design. There is also more about how SleepEZ compares to Savvy Rest in post #4 here and a forum search on SleepEZ Savvy Rest will bring up all the forum posts that mention both of them.

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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 18 Feb 2015 12:05 #22

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After reading though this thread:
www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-forum/general-mattresses/17305-i-don-t-get-it-why-is-my-foam-cushion-sofa-more-comfortable-than-my-new-latex-mattress-help.html
It's kind of made me wonder about going the Sleep EZ route, since it is all up to you to put it together, and if you don't like it to box it up and pay for return shipping. A more convenient latex brand would be the Savvy, since Mattress Xperts do the delivery them self. Their return policy is only 60 days (not too long) but I think you said that Savvy mattresses can't be returned?

With this Rhapsody going back next week, I really need to see and decide what I want to go with. I've had it about 10 weeks, and it is so uncomfortable that I sleep on the couch (circa 1998) most of the night, and around 5am transfer to the bed for the last few hours. I even have had my 3" gel topper on it that I purchases a few years back.

It's a shame the Gen 4 Prana Samadhi uses the 1.5 foam and is $5700. Even though the 5th Gen has 2.5 foam, the $2000 price increase is way to much.

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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 18 Feb 2015 13:05 #23

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Hi FAUguy,

www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-...x-mattress-help.html
It's kind of made me wonder about going the Sleep EZ route, since it is all up to you to put it together, and if you don't like it to box it up and pay for return shipping. A more convenient latex brand would be the Savvy, since Mattress Xperts do the delivery them self. Their return policy is only 60 days (not too long) but I think you said that Savvy mattresses can't be returned?


I would be very cautious about using other people's reviews or experiences on a mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how suitable a mattress may be for you and in many cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on or vice versa (see post #13 here ). This would be particularly true if someone's experience was in a very small minority of the people who had purchased a particular mattress and if you were to exclude mattresses that weren't suitable for some people then there wouldn't be any mattresses left to choose from.

The Savvy Rest mattresses are very similar to the SleepEZ mattresses so if a particular SleepEZ configuration wouldn't work for you then it's not likely that a Savvy Rest with a similar combination of layers will either. Savvy Rest is certainly a great quality choice but it's also in a significantly higher budget range than many other similar mattresses (including SleepEZ of course) and as you mentioned they don't have a return policy ... only a layer exchange. Having said that ... the choice between whether to buy locally or online depends on the parts of each person's personal value equation that are most important to them and for some people a higher cost for a local mattress may be "worth it".

The cost of returning a SleepEZ is $95 regardless of the actual shipping cost so the risk is low and both the Savvy Rest and theSleepEZ would be relatively simple to put together or exchange layers if you have someone to help.

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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 18 Feb 2015 14:19 #24

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Thanks for the additional info.
I wasn't aware the return shiooing price for Sleep EZ was a flat $95, I though I read something on their site where it says the customer pays the full return shipping fee at however much that would be. With me in FL, I'm was thinking it could cost $200 or so for return shipping to AZ for the mattress and wooden foundation.
I'll he trying out the Savvy again this week. Will let you know how it feels, since I can have them configure it at the store as soft/soft/medium, soft/medium/medium, or soft/medium/firm.

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Hate my Tempur Rhapsody, replacing with Aireloom or Prana 18 Feb 2015 18:52 #25

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Hi FAUguy,

www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-...x-mattress-help.html
It's kind of made me wonder about going the Sleep EZ route, since it is all up to you to put it together, and if you don't like it to box it up and pay for return shipping. A more convenient latex brand would be the Savvy, since Mattress Xperts do the delivery them self. Their return policy is only 60 days (not too long) but I think you said that Savvy mattresses can't be returned?


I would be very cautious about using other people's reviews or experiences on a mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how suitable a mattress may be for you and in many cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on or vice versa (see post #13 here ). This would be particularly true if someone's experience was in a very small minority of the people who had purchased a particular mattress and if you were to exclude mattresses that weren't suitable for some people then there wouldn't be any mattresses left to choose from.

The Savvy Rest mattresses are very similar to the SleepEZ mattresses so if a particular SleepEZ configuration wouldn't work for you then it's not likely that a Savvy Rest with a similar combination of layers will either. Savvy Rest is certainly a great quality choice but it's also in a significantly higher budget range than many other similar mattresses (including SleepEZ of course) and as you mentioned they don't have a return policy ... only a layer exchange. Having said that ... the choice between whether to buy locally or online depends on the parts of each person's personal value equation that are most important to them and for some people a higher cost for a local mattress may be "worth it".

The cost of returning a SleepEZ is $95 regardless of the actual shipping cost so the risk is low and both the Savvy Rest and theSleepEZ would be relatively simple to put together or exchange layers if you have someone to help.

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Need some advice tonight.
Went to the other store and tried out some different combos.
I like the soft Talalay, with to medium Dunlop underneath best.
The retail price is $3999. The salesman said that they are placing a big order today due to the holiday weekend, and can pass savings on to us down to $2999, $1000 off. But they only offer a 60 day, but no refunds, only exchanges.
At that price, its not much more than the Sleep EZ 10", and you don't have to assemble it yourself. But is non returnable.
Thoughts?

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