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Leesa 09 Dec 2014 19:54 #1

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Does anyone know anything about Leesa? It looks like it's a new company and seems very Casperish.

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Leesa 09 Dec 2014 21:38 #2

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Hi cbmd81,

I'm glad you asked about them and you are the first one to mention them on the site :)

Leesa is a new startup and like Casper and others are one of a new "breed" of online companies that are selling "one size fits all" mattresses that are doing their best to convince consumers that a mattress can be "universally comfortable" for everyone.

Of course anyone that is familiar with the industry or with mattresses in general knows that this isn't possible and the reality is that any single mattress will be the "best" match for a relatively small percentage of people, a "good" match for a little larger percentage, and a "OK" match for a larger percentage yet. For those where the mattress isn't a "good enough" match they all have a great return policy.

Most of them are using their marketing background and experience to tap into the overall negative consumer sentiment about the mattress industry and are attracting many consumers that "want to believe" that everything on their site is true. For the most part they are portraying themselves as being a simple solution to all the problems in the industry. One of the common themes that most of them talk about on their websites is that they cut out the "middle man" but few of them (so far) are actual manufacturers with their own factory so they have a "middle man" making their mattresses.

They are often more focused on marketing than they are on mattresses and they tend to be most attractive to consumers that don't realize that some of their claims are questionable or that don't want to take the time to do more detailed research to find better quality/value mattresses that may be a better match for their specific needs and preferences. Some of them use various incentive discount schemes that turns their customers into salespeople and these customers will often post on various websites all around the internet with a link to their discount code that provides a new customer with a discount and also gives them a rebate for every new referral. In many cases these customers will post raving reviews about their new mattress before they have even slept on it to try and get as many new referrals and referral bonuses as possible and I have seen some sites where there are dozens of people one after another all linking discount codes in the hopes that other customers will click on their link. In other words ... these customers will often say whatever they believe will make them the most money rather than providing honest reviews of the mattress itself. Of course these types of referral marketing systems are built into the cost of a mattress.

While many of these mattresses are "better than average" quality/value compared to most mainstream or major brand mattresses ... they certainly aren't "luxury mattresses" and with a little more research most consumers will find that there is often better quality/value choices available through many smaller manufacturers or retailers across the country or online where they can choose a more customized mattress that is a more suitable match for them in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) and that use higher quality materials in their mattresses in a similar or even lower price range. There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.

In the case of Leesa ... they share common ownership with brandjourney.com/ which is a marketing and consulting company that specializes in new startups and building brands and brand awareness.

I had a fairly extensive conversation with them a few days ago about their company and their mattress. All the people that are listed on their site are marketing people but they told me that they do have someone that is a "mattress person" that is involved with the company that is part of a larger multi-generational mattress manufacturer that was responsible for the design but they weren't comfortable telling me who they were or the company they are involved with so they are a "hidden" presence behind the company. NOTE ADDED: The "hidden partner is Jamie Diamonstein who is part of the family that owns Paramount Mattress. He has been making mattresses for several decades and decided that he wanted to go out on his own and build a company and a mattress that was more transparent and creative.

I also talked with them about their mattress and you can see the specifics of the materials here .

The top 2" layer is a 3.75 lb density high performance convoluted polyfoam which like many of this newer type of higher density polyfoams that are now on the market is a high quality material designed to have many of the properties of specialty foams like latex or memory foam but without the slow response of memory foam (see posts #2 and #6 here ).

The next 2" layer is 3 lb memory foam which is a lower density than I would be comfortable with in a mattress in this price range and would be a potential weak link in the mattress in terms of durability IMO.

The support core is 6" of 1.8 lb polyfoam which is a good quality material that is suitable for a support core.

Overall ... with the 2" middle layer of 3 lb memory foam ... I would be somewhat cautious because there are other mattresses in this price range that use higher quality and more durable materials in their comfort layers that are in the same or lower price ranges (the comfort layers are generally the weakest link in a mattress in terms of durability). While this mattress would compare well with many mainstream mattresses ... on a site like this where the members have access to a much larger number of higher quality/value choices and are more informed about how to make more meaningful comparisons ... they don't compare quite as well to some of the other options that are available.

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Leesa 07 Jan 2015 12:44 #3

Hi cbmd81,

Overall ... with the 2" middle layer of 3 lb memory foam ... I would be somewhat cautious because there are other mattresses in this price range that use higher quality and more durable materials in their comfort layers that are in the same or lower price ranges (the comfort layers are generally the weakest link in a mattress in terms of durability). While this mattress would compare well with many mainstream mattresses ... on a site like this where the members have access to a much larger number of higher quality/value choices and are more informed about how to make more meaningful comparisons ... they don't compare quite as well to some of the other options that are available.

Phoenix


Thanks for your information, Phoenix! I, too, have been drawn to the Tuft & Needles / Casper / Leesa -types of mattresses, mainly on a suggestion from someone else. The scenario: we walked into a local showroom looking for pillows (another nightmare of mine) and ended up testing out some of the beds and my wife and I both fell in love with the Tempur-Pedic Cloud Breeze. It was soft but still very supportive. The astronomical price tag basically eliminated it as a candidate for us, but we considered financing since we really felt that the mattress was worth it. Then I read about how hot some of the Tempur-Pedic customers would sleep and that turned me off more than the price tag. I'm a VERY hot sleeper (I sleep with a light blanket and sheet with the fan on me, even in winter). So I put some feelers out looking for similar beds in FEEL to the Cloud Breeze but would not sleep as hot and someone suggested the Casper.

Researching the Casper led me to the Tuft & Needle and finally the Leesa. Of the three, the Leesa seemed the most appealing to me. I'm NOT a fan of latex - I've tried sleeping on a latex pillow and it feels way to "bouncy," so the Casper was immediately suspect to me. The Tuft & Needle sounds like it may be too firm for my liking. So the Leesa seemed like a decent alternative.

My wife and I (I'm weigh 240, she's 200) have been married for 14 years and have gone through 4 mattress already. We sleep on a king and are not cuddly/spooners by any stretch of the imagination. We tend to both be side-sleepers (me almost exclusively, my wife 60% while 40% on her back). When we're sleeping, my side of the bed is my side, her's is her's. Because of this, we always end up with the "hump" in the middle of the bed and very large sags/indentations on our respective sides of the bed. We usually go with Original Mattress Factory mattresses because they fit our budge but I'm getting tired of having to replace my mattress so frequently. I'm looking for a more durable mattress.

The reason I quoted the above is because I'm interested in what mattresses you feel fit the criteria: other mattresses in this price range [Leesa] that use higher quality and more durable materials in their comfort layers that are in the same or lower price ranges (the comfort layers are generally the weakest link in a mattress in terms of durability). At the rate we're going, we're replacing our mattress every 4 years or so, and at a price much higher than the Leesa. So if I get even 4 years out of the Leesa and get a great night's sleep because of the support, I've made a good decision because I've cut my cost by almost 1/2 over the OMF mattress, plus the 10 year warranty, plus the 30-day trial/hassel-free return and apparent outstanding customer service. But I'm intersted in what you feel may be better possibilities in the same price range. Do you (or other members) have any suggestions?

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Leesa 07 Jan 2015 13:14 #4

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I wouldn't necessarily let past experiences with greater amounts of latex turn you off from the Casper. There is only an inch of synthetic latex, so it doesn't really feel all that bouncy, especially with all that memory foam just underneath. It mostly just counterbalances the more "dead" feeling of memory foam and adds a bit more breathability than sleeping directly on memory foam. I had a Casper for a couple months (returned it), and it didn't really feel very bouncy to me. I now have an all Talalay latex mattress, and I can see what people mean about latex bounciness, and the Casper didn't feel at all like that to me. (I personally don't necessarily have a problem with the bounce, although it's only been two nights on the new bed so far, but I still think the Casper is nothing like it.)

There may be other reasons to not choose Casper, but I just wanted to mention that bit about the latex.

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Leesa 07 Jan 2015 13:42 #5

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Hi phewd,

My wife and I (I'm weigh 240, she's 200) have been married for 14 years and have gone through 4 mattress already.


With your higher weights I would be very cautious with the 2" of 3 lb memory foam in the Leesa which I would consider to be a "weak link" in the mattress in terms of longer term durability. You can see some comments about Tuft & Needle, Casper, and Leesa relative to higher weight ranges in post #3 here (although you are not in the same weight range as the member that this replying to).

The reason I quoted the above is because I'm interested in what mattresses you feel fit the criteria: other mattresses in this price range [Leesa] that use higher quality and more durable materials in their comfort layers that are in the same or lower price ranges (the comfort layers are generally the weakest link in a mattress in terms of durability).


You can see the foam quality/density guidelines I would suggest in post #4 here . The mattress shopping tutorial includes several links to some of the better online options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) and post #4 here and also includes links to some of the better options I'm aware of in lower budget ranges as well.

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Leesa 07 Jan 2015 14:10 #6

Hi phewd,

My wife and I (I'm weigh 240, she's 200) have been married for 14 years and have gone through 4 mattress already.


With your higher weights I would be very cautious with the 2" of 3 lb memory foam in the Leessa which I would consider to be a "weak link" in the mattress in terms of longer term durability. You can see some comments about Tuft & Needle, Casper, and Leesa relative to higher weight ranges in post #3 here (although you are not in the same weight range as the member that this replying to).

The reason I quoted the above is because I'm interested in what mattresses you feel fit the criteria: other mattresses in this price range [Leesa] that use higher quality and more durable materials in their comfort layers that are in the same or lower price ranges (the comfort layers are generally the weakest link in a mattress in terms of durability).


You can see the foam quality/density guidelines I would suggest in post #4 here . The mattress shopping tutorial includes several links to some of the better online options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) and post #4 here and also includes links to some of the better options I'm aware of in lower budget ranges as well.

Phoenix


Thanks for the links/suggestions. I'm currently reading up! I noticed that you are offering retailer suggestions based on location, and I was wondering if you had one for Northeast Ohio (Greater Cleveland area)? Technically I'm near Mentor, but traveling a bit isn't a big deal. Thanks!

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Leesa 07 Jan 2015 18:30 #7

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Hi phewd,

I was wondering if you had one for Northeast Ohio (Greater Cleveland area)?


The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Cleveland, OH area (subject to the guidelines here ) are listed in post #2 here .

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Leesa 07 Jan 2015 18:44 #8

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Better in the same price range

Brooklyn Bedding Cotton Camia
Dreamfoam (various models)
Arizona Mattress Eco Sleep

there are others, but those come to mind immediately.

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Leesa 08 Jan 2015 05:04 #9

Hi phewd,

I was wondering if you had one for Northeast Ohio (Greater Cleveland area)?


The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Cleveland, OH area (subject to the guidelines here ) are listed in post #2 here .

Phoenix


Awesome - thank you so much!

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Leesa 08 Jan 2015 05:13 #10

Better in the same price range

Brooklyn Bedding Cotton Camia
Dreamfoam (various models)
Arizona Mattress Eco Sleep

there are others, but those come to mind immediately.


Added to my 'to research' list - thanks for the suggestions!

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