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Top Ranked Mattresses on Other Sites- I really need help 10 Oct 2014 21:07 #1

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I've been reading tons on this site. I realize if I really want help I should just post. :) I need a new memory foam mattress. I like the way they feel even though alot of people don't.

I was wondering what you guys think of these sites like sleeplikethedead.com and this top 10 ranking

Now I know I shouldn't trust these sites sine they rank almost purely on customer reviews and alot of customers, like myself, are largley clueless as to to what it is that they are reviewing, but up until I found this page, these were all I had to go off of. I've looked at some local manufacturers now thanks to Phoenix and this site, but they are a bit out of my price range and at least twice as much as these.

What are your thoughts guys on the 2nd and 3rd mattresses here .

It is the Lucid and the Sarah Peyton. Are these mattresses worth anything at all? A third option that I almost bought is Dynasty 10 inch. I would consider going for the Dynasty 12 inch if it performs considerably better. My biggest needs are supporting my lower back. I have a significant arch there. I'm 5'5", 155 LB male and I have bad posture, lower back pain, and joint paint already at 27 which I believe has alot to do with my lower back arch and one leg being slightly longer than the other. I know the mattress won't cure this but it's a small step forward.

Very important thing-- I forgot to mention--I ALREADY own a different budget type mattress from Wayfair.com (Amazon also has it) called the Signature Sleep 12 Inch Memoir Foam which advertises itself as having 4" of 4lb memory foam on top, but I really have my doubts on this. Of course I only want to try these other budget mattresses if they perform better than the one I already have. If not then I realize I have NO choice but to save up and make a major purpose or do a payment plan or something. For the record, I tested some Tempurpedics etc and I do like them. I found the iComfort Savant at stores very comfortable. Would any of these mattress I listed feel similar to the Savant? Tempurpedic is pretty much ruled out by price point alone.

As far as LOCAL is concerned, I looked up Beloit Mattresses and Appleton Sleep Shop. Beloit has more information online and they make a bed called the Solace . I wonder if that would sleep similar to an iComfort with a true memory foam feel. It's twice as much as the Amazon mattresses, but if that is what I have to do to get a true memory foam experience than I guess I'll do that. They using something call g-felx memory foam I'm not even sure if that is a true memory foam or not? I'm in Green Bay, WI and Appleton Sleep Shop is closer but they have no info online about memory foam mattresses or price points so I have yet to visit them. If you guys think the Amazon mattresses are garbage and won't perform much better than the Sleep Signature I already have then please advise where I should go from here. I'm not into latex as I don't like that bounce back/push back. I like the give of memory foam and how it just cradles you there. Thank you guys so much. And this site is absolutely AMAZING in terms of pure truth, honesty, and everything it stands for. I never thought I'd find something like this to help me navigate the hellish mess that is mattress shopping.

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Top Ranked Mattresses on Other Sites- I really need help 11 Oct 2014 00:15 #2

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Hi EZ4HZ,

I was wondering what you guys think of these sites like sleeplikethedead.com and this top 10 ranking


These are very different types of sites completely. Sleeplikethedead is a site that amalgamates reviews and then publishes the results. You can see my thoughts about them in post post #2 here and about the "value" of reviews in general in post #13 here and post #4 here .

The second site you linked is just another "so called" expert site that is really just an advertising site ( see here ) that contains no meaningful information. There is also more about other "so called" expert sites that you will see all over the internet in post #12 here .

They list Amerisleep on their main page which along with its sister companies Astrabeds and Simply Rest also run many fake review or "expert" sites that are just designed to sell their mattresses (see post #2 here and the posts it links to).

Even Consumer Reports has completely dropped the ball when it comes to mattresses (see post #2 here and this topic ).

The idea of "rating" a mattress without taking into account the person sleeping on it or the quality and durability of the materials in the mattress is questionable at best and deceptive at worst. There is more about what I would consider to be the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here .

The best place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

It is the Lucid and the Sarah Peyton. Are these mattresses worth anything at all? A third option that I almost bought is Dynasty 10 inch. I would consider going for the Dynasty 12 inch if it performs considerably better. My biggest needs are supporting my lower back. I have a significant arch there. I'm 5'5", 155 LB male and I have bad posture, lower back pain, and joint paint already at 27 which I believe has alot to do with my lower back arch and one leg being slightly longer than the other. I know the mattress won't cure this but it's a small step forward.


I would be cautious about Lucid and I would read post #6 here and post #2 here along with this topic and the posts they link to before considering them. A forum search on Lucid (you can just click the link) will also bring up more information about them as well.

I would also be very cautious about Sarah Peyton and I would make sure you know the quality/density of all the layers inside any mattress you are considering so you can identify any weak links and make more meaningful comparisons to other mattresses. I would also read post #6 here about compressed mattresses that are made in China. While I don't normally pay much attention to reviews ... there is a clear pattern with this one of mattresses that didn't decompress to their full height and durability issues that happened in a short period of time. They are also not on the CertiPur list* .
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You can see some comments about Dynasty in posts #3 and #4 here and a forum search on Dynasty (you can just click the link) will bring up more information about them as well. Again ... I would always make sure you know the density of all the layers in any mattress you are considering.

Very important thing-- I forgot to mention--I ALREADY own a different budget type mattress from Wayfair.com (Amazon also has it) called the Signature Sleep 12 Inch Memoir Foam which advertises itself as having 4" of 4lb memory foam on top, but I really have my doubts on this. Of course I only want to try these other budget mattresses if they perform better than the one I already have. If not then I realize I have NO choice but to save up and make a major purpose or do a payment plan or something. For the record, I tested some Tempurpedics etc and I do like them. I found the iComfort Savant at stores very comfortable.


You can see my thoughts about Signature Sleep in post #2 here . The only way to know how suitable any mattress will be for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) will be based on your own personal experience.

Would any of these mattress I listed feel similar to the Savant? Tempurpedic is pretty much ruled out by price point alone.


There is more about the different ways one mattress can "match" another one in post #9 here . They certainly don't match in terms of their design or the quality of the materials and while the only way to know whether they will feel similar to another mattress to you would be based on your own personal experience ... I would guess that they don't since most of them have only relatively thin layers of memory foam.

Overall ... you are looking at some questionable and "high risk" online purchases with these types of "race to the bottom" mattresses IMO.

Some of the better online options that I'm aware of in lower budget ranges are listed in post #4 here .

As far as LOCAL is concerned, I looked up Beloit Mattresses and Appleton Sleep Shop. Beloit has more information online and they make a bed called the Solace . I wonder if that would sleep similar to an iComfort with a true memory foam feel.


Beloit is one of the members of this site which means that I think very highly of them and I believe they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency although they are a fair distance away from you and would be a fairly long drive. A forum search on Beloit (you can just click the link) will bring up more information and feedback about them as well

There are many iComfort mattresses but again ... the only way to know whether the Solace would feel similar to any one of them to you would be based on your own personal testing and experience.

Appleton Sleep Shop is one of the better "possibilities" in the Green Bay list here and would certainly be worth considering (subject to the guidelines that I linked earlier about the "value" of a mattress purchase).

They using something call g-felx memory foam I'm not even sure if that is a true memory foam or not?


Gflex is a gel memory foam made by Flexible Foam but the quality of any memory foam or polyfoam material depends on the density (see this article ).

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Top Ranked Mattresses on Other Sites- I really need help 11 Oct 2014 11:51 #3

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Thank you, Phoenix. So now I'm looking at Tuft and Needle vs Memory Foam. Can you inform on some of the pros and cons of Tuft and Needle mattress? I'm not sure I understand quite what it is....it's not memory, it's not latex, it's just foam?

Since I'm having a hard time imagining what that will feel like I'm leaving heavily toward chrstieli memory foam mattress that was around 700 or a memory foam from dream foams. What are your thoughts on how these two compare in regards to quality of material, value, and feel even though feel is subjective and personal maybe we can speculate a bit. For dream foam im looking at the aria and also the supreme but im not sure which ill prefer....either more gel foam on top lime the aria or the thin layer of gel foam and then memory foam lime supreme. I prefer a softer bed than firm and the supreme is listed as softer so im leaning toward the supreme. From christeli I have my eyes on the versaille or the 7" Stockholm but it seems a bit thin at 7". So what are your thoughts on these dream foams compared to these christeli in regards to material, value, feel, and anything else you find important.

Local I still a possibility. Beloit mattress solace is 699 they said. I wonder of that is a far superior mattress to these online ones for the price. Hard to go to Beloit and try it tho. Still gonna go to Appleton sleep shop.

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Top Ranked Mattresses on Other Sites- I really need help 11 Oct 2014 13:48 #4

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Hi EZ4HZ,

There are three main types of foam materials which are polyfoam, memory foam, and latex foam. The tuft and needle uses 3 bonded layers of 1.8 - 2 lb polyfoam which are a good quality material.

There is more information about polyfoam comfort layers in this article and about polyfoam support layers in this article . Polyfoam is the most common foam material used in the industry and it's the material that you will most commonly find in the comfort layers of most innerspring mattresses (although they are generally lower quality and less durable versions of polyfoam than Tuft & Needle is using) and is the material that you will also find in most sofas as well. It is generally a lower cost foam compared to specialty foams like memory foam or latex although it comes in a wide rage of firmness levels and foam density levels that are more or less durable.

The Tuft and Needle is a firmer polyfoam mattress that is an "all or nothing" choice which means that in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) it will be the "best" choice for a relatively small percentage of the population, a "good" choice for a slightly larger percentage, an "OK" choice for a larger percentage yet, and an "unsuitable choice" for the rest so it's "value" would depend on what would be "good enough" for you, where you are in the range between "princess and the pea" and "I can sleep on anything", and whether your actual sleeping experience indicates that it's "the best" or a "good" or an "OK" choice for you compared to the other mattresses you could have purchased and the options they have available to fine tune the mattress after a purchase without having to return it.

They have a great return policy which means that you can decide whether it's a good "match" for you based on your actual sleeping experience and if it isn't then there is no cost to return it and start all over again. A forum search on Tuft Needle will bring up more information and feedback about their mattress.

The other mattresses you are considering are memory foam mattresses (that use one or more layers of memory foam on top of a polyfoam support core) which is a slow response material. There is more about the pros and cons of memory foam in this article .

When you can't test a mattress in person for PPP then a more detailed conversation with the manufacturer will be one of the most important parts of your purchase (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ) along with the options you have after a purchase to either fine tune the mattress or exchange or return it. Your local testing on different materials and different types of mattresses will be the most reliable way to know which types of materials or mattresses you tend to prefer.

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Top Ranked Mattresses on Other Sites- I really need help 11 Oct 2014 14:34 #5

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I've reduced my online options to the christeli and the dream foam supreme.

Christeli Versailles uses 3" of 5.3 lb memory foam and dream foam supreme uses 3" of 4lb memory foam
Is the christeli the clear winner it costs 50" more and is only 10" thick tho.

www.christeli.com/mattresses/versailles

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dreamfoambedding.com/

Chrsteli says they will to a return no questions asked and pay for return shipping. Not sure about dream foam returns cause they were closed but they sell through amazon and amazon said to me they would do a return for the dream foam mattress no questions asked no charge.

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Top Ranked Mattresses on Other Sites- I really need help 11 Oct 2014 16:41 #6

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Hi EZ4HZ,

Chrsteli says they will to a return no questions asked and pay for return shipping. Not sure about dream foam returns cause they were closed but they sell through amazon and amazon said to me they would do a return for the dream foam mattress no questions asked no charge.


Dreamfoam sells through Amazon but some of their mattresses can be either Amazon fulfilled (for a few of them) or Dreamfoam fulfilled (for all of them). They are also sold direct through their Dreamfoam site here .

If you purchase through Amazon with Amazon fulfillment then if you return the mattress it would be subject to the Amazon large items return policy (see post #11 here ).

If you purchase through Amazon but it is Dreamfoam fulfilled then there is no return policy (or at least you would pay the full cost of common carrier returns which can be quite costly). Dreamfoam fulfilled mattresses are usually less costly than Amazon fulfilled mattresses (Amazon usually adds some additional costs to the mattresses they fulfill).

If you purchase through the Dreamfoam site then they have a 45 day comfort guarantee (see the bottom right corner of their site) and there is also a 10% discount available at the moment (see their facebook page here ).

Post #2 here has more about making final choices when you are down to finalists that are comparisons between "good and good" and there are no clear winners between them.

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Top Ranked Mattresses on Other Sites- I really need help 11 Oct 2014 18:45 #7

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Can you do a mattress value comparison between the Christeli 10" mentioned and the Dream Foam Supreme 12" mentioned?
I know I've asked alot of questions but I'd really appreciate it. Which one has more "bang for the buck"?

Again I'm inclined to think the Christeli might be better based off of the 5.3" density, I want a really responsive memory foam. Is responsive based on density? For example I notice some mattresses when I lay down and my fingers rest at my sides, the mattress countour even to my fingers where as others do not.

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Hi EZ4HZ,

Can you do a mattress value comparison between the Christeli 10" mentioned and the Dream Foam Supreme 12" mentioned?
I know I've asked alot of questions but I'd really appreciate it. Which one has more "bang for the buck"?


I can't tell you which one would have the most "bang for the buck" for you because it depends on which one would be the best match for you in terms of PPP and all the other criteria and parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you. What would be the best choice for you may be very different from what would be the best choice for someone else. To be able to answer this you would need to be able to tell me which one is the best match for you in terms of PPP based on your actual sleeping experience because the suitability of a mattress and how well you sleep on it is the most important part of the "value" of any mattress purchase.

There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here (I think I've linked this in my previous replies but it's well worth reading again :)). You can also see my reply to the same question in post #2 here and post #2 here and post #2 here and post #7 here . While I'm happy to help with "how" to choose and to help you eliminate any of the worst options you may be considering these are types of questions that are too subjective and individual to provide meaningful answers for someone else and that only you can decide. It would be similar to asking which piece of clothing has the most "bang for the buck" when there is no way to define this for a specific person and where that's not the most important part of the purchase.


The Christeli 10" Versailles is designed to approximate the Tempurpedic Contour Select so you would need to test the Contour select to see how suitable it would be for you in terms of PPP. It uses a single 3" layer of 5.3 lb memory foam and a 6" 2 lb polyoam base so there are no weak links in the design. It retails for $651.83 in queen.

The Dreamfoam 12" Supreme is designed to approximate the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme which is a very different mattress with a different comfort level and a different feel. You would also need to test the Cloud Supreme to see how suitable it would be for you as well in terms of PPP. It uses two layers of 4 lb gel memory foam that total 4" thick and a 8" layer of 1.5 lb polyfoam so it has thicker layers of memory foam and uses gel memory foam instead of "regular" memory foam but the layers are lower density. There are also no weak links in this design for most weight ranges either but if you were in a higher weight range (more than about the low 200's or higher) then I would tend to reduce the use of 4 lb memory foam and focus more on higher density materials (see the guidelines here ). It retails for $599 less the current 10% discount (if you order from the Dreamfoam site with the coupon code from their facebook page) so the current price would be $539.

I would make sure you have talked with both of them, tested both of the two Tempurpedic mattresses that they approximate to decide which one is the best match for you in terms of PPP, and then make your final choice based on your conversations, your testing, and on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

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Top Ranked Mattresses on Other Sites- I really need help 11 Oct 2014 19:43 #9

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That was exactly the info I needed! Boss as heck. I'll to test those tempur mattresses asap.

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Top Ranked Mattresses on Other Sites- I really need help 11 Oct 2014 19:47 #10

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Do you know what mattress the 12" Aria from Dream Foam and the Dream Foam 13" is meant to approximate? I also can't find their facebook page anywhere. Anyone have the link?

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