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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 25 Jul 2014 13:31 #31

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Hello,

I'm considering one more mattress before I purchase the PLB Beautiful Mattress. This one is a double-sided Restonic. I am including the specs that I received from the manufacturer. I would love your opinion, as always. Here we go:

2" Quilt top.
1' 1.55 pound polyurethane foam.
1" 1.55 pound polyurethane foam.
1/2" 1.50 pound polyurethane foam.
1/2" 1.50 pound polyurethane foam.
Marshall Coil with 2~ 6 gauge border rods.

The mattress is very comfortable, but I'm not sure the foam would hold up over time. Phoenix, you've been a real life-saver for me. I know, that without the information you've provided, I would have likely purchased another low quality mattress.

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Jewels

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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 25 Jul 2014 14:53 #32

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Hi Jewels,

2" Quilt top.
1' 1.55 pound polyurethane foam.
1" 1.55 pound polyurethane foam.
1/2" 1.50 pound polyurethane foam.
1/2" 1.50 pound polyurethane foam.
Marshall Coil with 2~ 6 gauge border rods.


If this is all the layers in this mattress then it would be just "on the edge" of the guidelines here for a two sided mattress but I would also want to know specifics of the materials in the 2" quilt top because depending on the quality of the materials it may put it "over the edge" in terms of durability. It has fairly thick layers of polyfoam that are "on the edge" in terms of density on each side of the mattress. Even though the mattress is two sided which would improve durability (see post #3 here ) the materials certainly aren't in the same quality range as the latex in the Beautiful.

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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 26 Jul 2014 12:50 #33

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Hi Phoenix,

I'm leaning towards the PLB Beautiful and will likely purchase it next week. I am concerned about the glues used in the mattress. I understand that they are supposed to be safe for most people. However, I have a chronic illness and noticed that when I tried mattresses with a lot of glue or memory foam in them, me health deteriorated. Interestingly, on the Sleep Number, my health has improved significantly (though the mattress hurts my back). Seriously, to levels of improvement that I never thought I'd reach again. I thought this might be a coincidence, so I spent a few nights on a new innerspring mattress, and I got sick again. I won't go into the details. I would really appreciate your opinion regarding the PLB Beautiful and the Sleep Number regarding which has more glue and the type of fire retardant used. I'm not asking for medical advice, just advice on the amount of chemicals used in each mattress.

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Jewels :)

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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 26 Jul 2014 13:21 #34

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Hi Jewels,

There is more here about the glue that is used in the PLB mattresses (latex (water) based vs solvent based) and there is more here about the fire barrier they use here (rayon/silica which I would consider "safe").

If any type of glue at all (even water based non solvent glues) are a significant concern for you then there are also component latex mattresses available that don't use any glue at all (many of these are available from the list of members here that sell latex mattresses online).

There is also more information about fire retardants that I would consider to be "safe" in this article and in post #2 here and post #4 here but of course each person may have unique circumstances or health issues or individual concerns that are unique to them so what is safe for the large majority of people may not be "safe enough" for them.

There is also more information in post #2 here and post #2 here and more detailed information yet in post #2 here and the many other posts and sources of information that they link to that will help you differentiate between organic, natural, chemical free, safe, and green materials (all of which have different meanings) and can help each person answer the question "how safe is safe enough for me?" regardless of whether someone else would be comfortable with using the same materials in their mattress.

There is really no way to answer a question about the specific amount of chemicals used in any specific mattress because this type of information isn't available and it would also depend on which specific chemicals someone was concerned with because even water is a "chemical" . The polyfoam used in the Sleep Number mattresses for example is made from petrochemicals and while most people are fine with polyfoam ... particularly if it's made in the US or is CertiPur certified ... some people are more sensitive or more concerned than others about the chemicals that are used to make polyfoam. The air bladders are also a synthetic material that are made from petrochemicals.

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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 27 Jul 2014 10:43 #35

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Hi Phoenix,

Thank you for the information. I just love this site as it's so helpful. I'll let you know which mattress I end up with and if there are any health related reactions.

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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 30 Jul 2014 16:16 #36

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Hi Phoenix,

I'm still considering the double-sided mattress, however I can't find any information about their fire retardant. The Manufacturer told me that they use something he called Milliken-Paladin (Cirrus) fire retardant, I've never heard of it, do you know if it's safe? The mattress is in my price point, but I want one that's safe. I would prefer the PLB Beautiful. Please let me know.

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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 30 Jul 2014 17:04 #37

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Hi Jewels,

It sounds like the same or very similar fire barrier as the one that is used in the PLB mattresses ( see here ) which is a viscose (rayon)/silica inherent fabric which I would consider to be "safe" (see this article and post #2 here ).

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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 21 Aug 2014 11:01 #38

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Hi Phoenix!

I would appreciate your advice once again. I ordered the PLB Beautiful mattress over five weeks ago and the company still hasn't delivered any of their mattresses to the store. The store isn't getting anywhere with the company, either they get no information or the wrong information. Latex International keeps stalling on the date for delivery to the store. At this point, I'm losing faith in the company and wonder if they can (after their recent bankruptcy) still produce a good mattress. They certainly aren't able to produce mattresses in a timely manner. It'll be six weeks in a few days. Is this normal and what do you think of this situation? I'm about ready to cancel the order.

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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 21 Aug 2014 11:40 #39

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Hi Jewels,

I think that most of the delays in delivering their mattresses may have more to do with the recent fire than their bankruptcy (see this topic ) but I have been receiving some mixed feedback from retailers about delivery times.

When I talked with Jeff Gober a little over a week ago ( see here ) he told me that they were close to being back up to full production so hopefully they will be able to catch up on any order backlogs quickly as well but he is more on the Latex International side of things than the Bliss side of the business. They are still producing good quality latex.

I personally don't have any concerns about their long term viability but I don't have any other insights about how long any delays in any of their Bliss deliveries may be although it does surprise me that it's been that long for the retailer that you are dealing with because I do know that the delays with other retailers I know that carry them have been less (although there have been longer delays with their foundations which they don't make themselves and some retailers seem to be experiencing longer delays than others).

It may be worthwhile emailing PLB here to explain how long you have been waiting and tell them the store you are dealing with and what they have told you to see what they say.

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I've tried every mattress out there...help! 21 Aug 2014 17:50 #40

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Jewels, are we related someway? I too have tried about every mattress out there! I too have a bad reaction to any type of memory foam (the offgassing makes me nauseated and dizzy and YES, I can detect the odor even though others can't). I too have a type of fibromyalgia! Finding a bed with comfort, support, and pressure relief is like an endless search!

We have a PLB Beautiful mattress (have issues with the defective foundation which is getting resolved) and for me... it is the perfect bed (so far). It didn't have quite enough pressure relief, so we bought a PLB 2" topper and that made it just right.

We ordered a second one for a 2nd home in July and it took over 3 weeks for our mattress company to get it in but as I understand it, it was out of pre-fire inventory. As Phoenix said... maybe they are trying to get production up.

We will probably have to replace the mattress which was damaged by the defective foundation so I'll let you know what happens since we'd be in the same boat as you.

Otherwise, it might be worth the wait if you, like me, have tried all kinds of mattresses. Our last bed was a Simmons pillowtop which ALMOST gave me enough pressure release, but at the time, it had mostly latex in the top... now latex isn't offer by Simmons and I'm reluctant to try a new one with memory foam in the comfort layers.

I've had no sleeping issues with the PLB Beautiful - if there's glue in it, it doesn't bother me.

They sure don't make beds like they used to! :-(

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