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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / Green Sleep Europe 08 Feb 2014 13:44 #16

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Hi dn,

Your plan sounds good. I bet you'll really like the two soft layers under your shoulders.

Sharpies work good on latex.

Looking forward to your review.

Good luck,

brotherloo

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / Green Sleep Europe 08 Feb 2014 13:56 #17

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Hi dn,

I should also add that there are some interesting "nuances" as a result of the dominant layering you are using that would affect the proportionate support under different parts of the body (such as under the lumbar curve) and I'll be interested in the results you report.

I think this is already part of your plan but I would start with zoning the top two layers before adding any zoning in the bottom layers.

I'm really looking forward to hearing your feedback :)

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 08 Feb 2014 15:53 #18

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3 layers cut so far. Since I've got all my tools and straight edges out, I'm cutting all 4 layers.

I will say, cutting latex isn't nearly as precise as I originally planned (though accurate enought to satisfy my perfectionist side). The firm was much easier to cut than the soft... Doing softest now.

I'll take some pictures when done.

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 08 Feb 2014 16:37 #19

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Post for photos and details.

Phoenix, could you please attach them? I've emailed to you. Update: thank you for attaching the pictures.

Pictures include:
- the tools I used (electric knife I got today at walmart for $15, 2 straight edges, and a razor utility knife)
- pictures of a piece pre cut and post cut
- pictures of the edges aligned for the smaller '1/3' pieces
- pictures of the bed layered together

Notes:
- It took me about 4 hours start to finish.
- the softer the foam, the harder it was to cut and the less precise the cut.
- you do get small latex 'saw dust' all over... Don't do it if you're allergic to latex.
- my latex has an organic cotton outer cover, which I used a razor to cut through the top of before cutting the latex, and then cut through the bottom of after cutting through the latex.

- latex is hard to get a true square cut, since it's stretchy and hard to get into it's 'neutral' position. I'd planned how I was going to cut it ultra precisely - my plan didn't work at all, latex is not a rigid material. Therefore, I'd wave the latex until I felt it was in a neutral position (I.e. Not stretched in any particular direction), and then I measured, and used my straight edge. As luck would have it, each piece of latex (all from same vendor) had a series of holes that I could also use as a reference. So I measured, used straight edge, and aligned based on holes in the latex.

- cutting, even along the straight edge, was hardly perfect. The firm was best, the softest hardest. The soft, you need to really pull the knife until the latex firms up enough to cut. As a result, when it springs back to shape post cut, it's about 0.5" away from the straight edge. I took this into account when cutting a bit. Also, as you know in the bedding insustry +/- 0.5" is acceptable tolerances, and the soft latex can easily be stretched to make up 0.5" if needed.

FYI the layers are labeled different than I previously posts. Basically, each layer became 1 softer compared to the prior labels. It is as follows
Super soft (ss) - previously labeled as S
Soft - previously labeled as M
Med - previously labeled as F
Firm - previously labeled as X

I'm ready to try it tonight. Besides zoning, no other changes made. Foot to head (in equal thirds), top to bottom, zoning (using the new labels) is:
Soft / soft / super soft
Soft / super soft / super soft
Firm / firm / firm












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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / Green Sleep Europe 08 Feb 2014 17:34 #20

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Hi dn,
Your plan sounds good. I bet you'll really like the two soft layers under your shoulders.
Looking forward to your review.
Good luck,
brotherloo


Thanks brotherloo, I did use your info to help.

dn

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 09 Feb 2014 19:34 #21

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First night was excellent!

Foot of mattress to head, top to bottom, the layering is:
Soft / soft / super soft
Soft / super soft / super soft
Firm / firm / firm

1. I don't feel the seams where latex meets at all, nor the transitions either which is a nice surprise.
2. Legs are more than happy with that zone. It's perfect.
3. I decided hips prefer the firm on bottom, instead of medium. Good news since right now I have firm on bottom. It's perfect.
4. Laying on back feels excellent, and no sense of transitions as I said.
5. Laying on side was noticeably softer for my shoulders / there was less pressure pain and perhaps no pressure pain. Time will tell. If it needs to be softer, I have a medium section to go on the bottom, (or if really nothing works which I'm doubtful will be the case given where it's at now, I have polyfoam and talalay I can play with in the shoulder zone too).

I won't declare it a total victory until I've slept some time on it and adjusted - but so far it's very promising. There'll be some addition breaking in for the super soft also, since it's only been a top layer for about a week in the past.

Thanks,

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 09 Feb 2014 19:57 #22

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Hi dn,

Thanks for the update. It's nice to see some experimentation going on and some good direction on what worked best for you. Also for the softer latex I was wondering if you tried compressing it at all when you tried cutting it? I would think if it was compressed it might be easier to cut. Kind of like stretching it.

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 09 Feb 2014 20:21 #23

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Hi dn,

Thanks for the update. It's nice to see some experimentation going on and some good direction on what worked best for you. Also for the softer latex I was wondering if you tried compressing it at all when you tried cutting it? I would think if it was compressed it might be easier to cut. Kind of like stretching it.


Thanks CentralPA,

I did try compressing it yes, and in fact that's why I bought those particular aluminum straight edges (Home Depot)- that way I could press down very firmly. That said, if you can imagine trying to compress the full width of the mattress, it's not easy. If I had to try it again, I might use 2x4's clamped on either side ... I've seen a picture of that done before. The reason I didn't do that is I imagined that the lumber would bow outwards at the middle, and then you'd get some peculiar cut (since the latex on sides would be fully compressed, but in middle less so). Since I didn't test it, I don't know if that's what would happen.

Updated: also, if I had to do it again, I might go in the middle of a set of pin core holes, rather than between them. Going along a set of holes would mean there was less material to cut, and in my case would have been square.

The best is no doubt to take it to a foam shop with a cutter.. I didn't find one on quick review that was easy for consumers, and taking all that latex around has its own risks for damage and soiling.

The good news is that latex, especially the softer latex, is easily moldable to many shapes. It's not a perfectly clean cut, but so long as it's square and within about half an inch, butting it up against another piece of latex or at the end of the mattress squished by the mattress case, it appears makes the issue cosmetic only.

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 10 Feb 2014 15:42 #24

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Hi dn,

Glad to hear you liked it on your first try. A simple zoning scheme like yours is the perfect answer to the hips/ shoulders dilemma. Thanks for documenting your project. It really shows how simple it is.

I have the same kind of scheme, sort of like yours. Two soft layers under the shoulders, two medium layers under the hips, over a solid firm layer on the bottom. I cut mine at ~33 inches(about where my waist is) so I ended up with 33/33/14 instead of one third / two thirds. I rotate the 33 inch pieces from top to middle to help with wear.

My original plan was to leave the top layer in tact. I even bought a couple 1 inch toppers so I could keep the zoned layers close to the top. But I could not find an arrangement that was soft enough for side sleeping shoulders that would keep my hips up "on" the mattress as much as I liked.

IMHO zoning in the top two layers is a vast improvement comfort wise over the standard 3x3 layering.

Again, nice work,

brotherloo

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Anyone experimented with DIY zoning like FloBeds vZone / Obasan / green sleep Europe 10 Feb 2014 16:59 #25

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Hi dn,

I might use 2x4's clamped on either side ... I've seen a picture of that done before. The reason I didn't do that is I imagined that the lumber would bow outwards at the middle, and then you'd get some peculiar cut (since the latex on sides would be fully compressed, but in middle less so). Since I didn't test it, I don't know if that's what would happen.


I was thinking that if you used a 2x6 you could compress it with clamps and then use your body weight to compress the middle as you cut it. Also I was wondering if a sawzall would work any better or worse. After putting my SleepEZ bed together today and dealing with the latex I can definitely see that there does not need to be overly precision especially if this is under a cotton/wool cover.


Hi Brotherloo,

IMHO zoning in the top two layers is a vast improvement comfort wise over the standard 3x3 layering.


My wife and I just received our SleepEZ today 3x3 layering. We also got a mattress pad to give it more plush feel. I am finding the zoning topics interesting as I tend to have wide shoulders and a heavy middle section. If the SleepEZ doesn't quite work for me in its original configuration or with a comfort exchange, I am quickly realizing that there is still potential with it.

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