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TandL's Shopping Thread 29 Dec 2013 05:58 #1

Would like to begin by thanking Phoenix, and all others who have made this site so useful. I have been lurking, learning and gathering for over a week now and felt that it was pertinent to start a thread and reserve some squares to begin sorting all this information out.

First off I would like to introduce ourselves, she is T and I am L to make it easy when you all want to reply to our posts.

T is 40 and about 5' 7' 160 lbs and is a switch sleeper from side to back.
L (Me) is 5' 11" 220 lbs and is also a switch sleeper from side to back but mainly is a side sleeper, right side to be exact considering it is my right shoulder and trapezius muscle that contributes to most of my pain. Hence my quest for a better mattress.

I am just beginning my research for a mattress and have some specifics on what I need to make the setup work for me, so ill be gathering information and posting some pictures cause I am thinking that my situation maybe rather unique. I have familiarized myself with much "not all" of the information that is available here on this so any advice will be well taken.

Credit to Mattress Underground and all its contributors is that before landing here I never realized that there were so many top quality internet based mattress distributors offering such high quality mattresses. I always figured that if it wasn't a nationally recognized manufacturer then it wasn't worth it.

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TandL's Shopping Thread 29 Dec 2013 06:00 #2

Our current bed is a Queen Size platform bed with a discount memory foam mattress, for a lack of better terms, that is approximately 6 years old.. Basically it is just a slab of foam that sits on top of a bed frame. Our current mattress is beat, she sleeps in a hole and I spend all night trying not to fall into it.





Well recently the middle brace let go and the slats have been popping out of their pockets and breaking. T does not want to part with the frame and I kind of don't blame her I like it too and it fits.







So my thoughts are to gut it and purchase a KD platform base and sit it directly on the floor inside the frame and . I took a some quick measurement and from the floor the current slats are approximately 8.5 inches off the floor, not much higher then a KD base, 13" to the top of the and the length and width of it should be large enough for me to get away with it. I probably could re support the frame and sit the KD base on the frame, but its not a very high quality frame so I am weary of its strength.

I am also considering purchasing a set of universal bed legs and retrofitting them on a KD base to keep it off the floor in case it sitting directly on the floor is not advisable. I have a direct experience them and they seemed to hold up rather well. I once owned a motionless waterbed purchased from a local company (Worley Beds) I believe this was pre memory foam.

(Initially my thoughts were to either sit the foundation directly on the floor or support it with some universal bed legs. Well since my thoughts have changed and now have decided to purchase a low profile metal bed frame (app 6 inches high) and sit the foundation on this.)

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TandL's Shopping Thread 29 Dec 2013 06:01 #3

What were are looking for? At this point not sure. Memory Foam, Latex, Natural, Organic, everything is still a bit vague at this point but I hope the more homework I do the clearer the picture will become. My thoughts are that with as many variables and options that are out there we are bound to make the wrong decision but at least it will be a conscious one.
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Our Personal Preferences

Microclimate, breathability and temperature control (perhaps the most important of the preferences): This didn’t seem to be too much of a concern with either one of us, and I am not sure exactly why. It could be do to the fact that we live in New England and our climate fluctuates based on the season so preferring a cooler mattress just gave us a sense that it would make our winters colder instead of summers cooler. We tend to actually “sleep” warmer in the winter then we do in the summer, basically I find myself waking up in a sweat more so during the winter months and chilled in the summer, I guess it is what we prefer. We always control this with either an air conditioner or electric blanket and never have related this to the performance of any of our past preferences in mattresses. So this didn’t weigh to highly on our scale and just the fact that many of the manufacturers out there were making some effort to moderate it seemed good enough to us, whether it was in the fabric of the liner, the shape of the foam, or some type of gel that they may be using was enough to satisfy this.

Slow or fast response and where in the range you prefer: We seemed to prefer a mid range response not too fast and not too slow. We liked the fact that some memory foams allowed us to sink and would cradle us but when we tried to flip it felt like we had to heave our hips to get out of the hole and this was an undesirable feeling. Also, the feeling of not being able to get out of the hole was also very undesirable and was mainly experienced with memory foams. That feeling of wanting to reach for a grab handle on the wall when getting out of bed was another feeling that we would not rather experience and was common with some memory foams that we tried and not so with the latex models. Latex was appealing in a sense, mainly from its elasticity property and how the material actually assisted with your ability to flip and get out/off of it when you wake. All these characteristics ranked high in our preference of materials.

Sleeping "on" vs "in" the mattress: This was also a factor and I am not sure if either “on” or “in” was a good term to describe the feel we were looking for. I think “a part of” best describes what we are trying to achieve. A slow limited amount of sink with a quick response to fill in our void and a bit of a bounce to assist with our flip to be exact.

Durability of materials in the mattress: To me personally this ranked real high. Its ranks real high with everything I purchase whether its with automobiles, tools, or even shoes and sneakers. This may be a little bit of a personality trait with me and might be my biggest decision making flaw when it comes to selecting a mattress and that I may sacrifice comfort for durability in my decision and I realize this and tried to keep this in perspective, mainly for consideration for my partner who is leaving the decision making entirely up to me.

Durability of construction (such as one or two sided): This was another factor that didn’t way highly on our scale. I found this factor rather tough to determine without actually be able to experience it. We are relying solely on the input of others, I guess its partly due to the fact we have chosen to go with a online vendor and not someone who is local. The other part is that we ruled out the ones that we were able to determine were not durable and of the best value was enough to satisfy this.

Quality and performance of materials and construction: This too was difficult for me to determine considering the mattress that we will choose will be one that we will not be able to test out. This was based solely on my research here at themattressunderground.com and my ability to interpret what I had been reading in terms of various foams (latex, poly, memory), their compositions (such as density and ILD), and covers (cotton, bamboo, aloe).

Ability to open the mattress and exchange layers or make changes after purchase: This was big, its a bit of a insurance policy to me. This provides me with the confidence in my decision, even if my choices of comfort layers are not what I expected in pressure relief and posture alignment, im confident that with this ability I will always have options to make the changes to get it right if necessary.

Warranty and warranty exclusions (which are often more important then the warranty itself): I didn’t put to much time or effort into the research of this. I feel that warranties are only as good as the company who is willing to stand behind them. If I choose a company that values their customer base and takes pride in their product and their reputation then I have a better chance of them fulfilling their obligation. So I prefer to rely more on the emphasis of my choice of manufacturer/retailer then the actual warranty itself.

Budget limitations and range: This was important considering that I not only would have to purchase a mattress but I would also have to purchase a frame, a foundation, pillows, a cover, sheets and a bedspread. But my range of 1500 for a mattress and 2000 for everything seemed to give me plenty of options.

Price vs quality and value of materials: I'm not sure exactly how to answer this one but I am quite confident that I already have justified this in some of my answers above. If not this may be best answered after my choice endures the test of time.

Mattress only or foundation included: Not a factor .. I was somewhat specific in my needs in a foundation and wasn’t allowed many variables in my selection. It had to be a KD and it needed to be around 8 inches tall. So whether on not the company offered one with my purchase didn’t effect my decision, there were only one or two that fit my likings.

Motion separation with small and large movements: Not a real major factor with either one of us at the moment neither is bothered by the other. Hopefully my new choice will not bring this into consideration, is my only concern. I would assume that we are both relatively heavy sleepers and not bothered by the others motions and any type of foam whether it be latex or memory should a relatively good job at not creating this.

Natural materials vs synthetic: Another non factor to me... Just that the materials were mainly made in the USA and that I seen they were Certi-Pure or Oeko-Tex certified was enough to pacify this aspect.
The type of cover and quilting (if any) you prefer: I didn’t really have a preference, though I am aware that it may play a larger role in its durability than I may anticipate. This is another facet that I am willing to assume some risk with and hopefully its not the weak link.

The ease of movement or movement restriction on the mattress for changing position and "other activities": This was a factor in my decision and rather important I included it in one of my answers above and hopefully it will get addressed in my choice of comfort layers.

Overall "feel" (such as the difference between combinations that include the "feel" of innersprings and/or different types of foam in the comfort or support layers): I didn’t rank this to high in my decision knowing that the actual mattress I will choose would be one that I would not be able to feel. More of my time and effort was put into the factors of value, durability, and what materials could possibly provide us with the best pressure relief, posture, and alignment.
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Information


Thread Link - TOPIC: Need Help...memory foam
(Had to copy this link this person seems right on my path of purchase.)
Thread Link - Properties of different types of foams
Thread Link - Bob-O-Pedic
Thread Link - Mattress Break In

Thread Link - Pillows
Thread Link - Sheets
Thread Link - Mattress Covers

Thread Link - Fine Tuning A Mattress
Thread Link - Art And Science Of Mattress Construction

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Purchases


So Far: (This list will be subject to change)

Mattress
Brooklyn Bedding - 14" Aloe Alexis (Custom - Adele) - $1299.00
(top->bottom):
100% Natural Cotton & Aloe Mattress Cover,
1" Chemical Free Wool & BreathCool Poly Foam,
(1) 3" Layer 4lb Gel Foam (In replace of a layer of latex)
(1) 3" Layers of Talalay Latex 28 ILD,
7" of 2.17lb BB HD Foam Core.

Frame
Serta 9 Leg Low Profile - $112.00

Foundation
Mattress.net KD Foundation (59.5 x 8 x 79.5) - $249.00

Accessories
(2) Brooklyn Bedding Shredded Latex Pillows
(1)Ultimate Dreams Shredded Latex/Memory Foam Combo Pillow - $23.99
(1) Ultimate Dreams Shredded Gel Memory Foam Pillow - $29.99
Malouf Sleep Tite Mattress Protector
Eddie Bauer Down Alternative Classic Comforter (Light Warmth) - $49.99
Madison Park Newport Cotton 4-piece Duvet Cover Set - $89.99

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TandL's Shopping Thread 29 Dec 2013 10:16 #4

Hi TandL,

I would tend to raise the foundation off the floor to allow for better air circulation.

I think that the most helpful information you will find is either your own personal experience (which I understand will be limited because of time restrictions) or more detailed and "interactive" conversations on the phone with various online retailers or manufacturers which will do a lot to "fill in the gaps" between the more "dry" and theoretical knowledge you read here and information that is more "experiential" and specific to your own circumstances and criteria.

I would at least do enough testing to find out which materials you tend to prefer ... in the comfort layers especially.

With your shoulder ... you will need a top layer that is soft enough to "allow" your shoulders to sink in "just enough" to relieve pressure there without compromising alignment either on your side or especially your back. Your choice of pillow (which will also play a significant role in the pressure you feel on your shoulders) will also be important.

I'm looking forward to your updates and finding out what you end up with. You certainly have many good options available to you and of course if you have any specific questions along the way feel free to post them here.

Phoenix
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TandL's Shopping Thread 29 Dec 2013 15:00 #5

Thanks Phoenix your input.

Im gonna give it my best effort to get the foundation off the floor (carpet). Ill get a better idea on what I can and cant do once I have an opportunity to pull the bed apart.

Well we went west today, opposite direction of Worley Beds and got to briefly lay on some Memory Foam mattresses at Sleepys. Out time was brief cause T had to be at work so we popped in quick to get a quick feel. We laid on the Tempur pedic line, Cloud, Cloud Lux, Cloud Supreme.

One of them was too soft, im gonna assume it was the Cloud Supreme, when we laid it we sank right into and left quite an impression, we both struggled to get out of the whole we created and both kinda wrinkled our nose at it like it was just a bit too soft. It felt as if we were laying in it as opposed to laying on it.

The one we both liked was the Cloud Luxe, this one felt fairly firm, when we laid down and we both kinda just sank into it slowly. It felt firm enough like it would support us, but soft enough where we noticed it. When we got up the impression filled behind us.

Ive been looking around at the various vendors that keep coming up and one that I tend to keep going back too is Novosbed. he does a good job as far as I can tell comparing his to others that are more readily available. His prices seem reasonable and I have seen him contributing here in the forum. I just need to figure out which one.

The other im looking into is the Ultimate dreams 13 inch for sale on amazon...I like the 13 inch thickness and would be nice to have to make up the difference height if I have no other choice but to rest the foundation on the floor.

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TandL's Shopping Thread 29 Dec 2013 16:18 #6

Hi TandL,

One of them was too soft, im gonna assume it was the Cloud Supreme, when we laid it we sank right into and left quite an impression, we both struggled to get out of the whole we created and both kinda wrinkled our nose at it like it was just a bit too soft. It felt as if we were laying in it as opposed to laying on it.

The one we both liked was the Cloud Luxe, this one felt fairly firm, when we laid down and we both kinda just sank into it slowly. It felt firm enough like it would support us, but soft enough where we noticed it. When we got up the impression filled behind us.


The Tempurpedic Cloud is one of the two softest mattresses they make (along with the soft version of the Allura) so if you plan to use one of the Tempurpedics as a reference point I would make sure you clarify which model you tested. The Cloud Luxe is rated as being softer than the Cloud Supreme.

Ive been looking around at the various vendors that keep coming up and one that I tend to keep going back too is Novosbed. he does a good job as far as I can tell comparing his to others that are more readily available. His prices seem reasonable and I have seen him contributing here in the forum. I just need to figure out which one.

The other im looking into is the Ultimate dreams 13 inch for sale on amazon...I like the 13 inch thickness and would be nice to have to make up the difference height if I have no other choice but to rest the foundation on the floor.


Novosbed and Dreamfoam are both included in the list of the better quality/value online memory foam manufacturers and retailers in post #12 here and both of them (and most of the others as well) will give you good information about more widely available memory foam mattresses that are reasonable approximations for the mattresses they sell that you can use as reference points and will also help you decide which of their mattresses may be the best match for your needs and preferences when you talk with them.

Phoenix
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TandL's Shopping Thread 29 Dec 2013 17:45 #7

The Tempurpedic Cloud is one of the two softest mattresses they make (along with the soft version of the Allura) so if you plan to use one of the Tempurpedics as a reference point I would make sure you clarify which model you tested. The Cloud Luxe is rated as being softer than the Cloud Supreme.


I very well may have got the two confused ... I knew it as soon as we walked out of the store. But that's ok the one thing I was able to figure out which was of the greatest importance is that we are both on the same page as far as preference is concerned so my likings are the same as hers. This makes things easy now that I can shop and use my judgment when I do make the purchase. She has no problem leaving this decision solely up to me, and reassured her with the fact that I will be footing the bill. Ill get this right, and considering what we are sleeping on now is the equivalent to a high end dish sponge, anything will be a drastic improvement.

Novosbed and Dreamfoam are both included in the list of the better quality/value online memory foam manufacturers and retailers in post #12 here and both of them (and most of the others as well) will give you good information about more widely available memory foam mattresses that are reasonable approximations for the mattresses they sell that you can use as reference points and will also help you decide which of their mattresses may be the best match for your needs and preferences when you talk with them.


Thanks for pointing out post # 12 ... I did come across a list it wasn't that one though. Looks like I got some more work to do!!

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TandL's Shopping Thread 29 Dec 2013 18:27 #8

Hi TandL,

It's one of the links in the tutorial post which may also be helpful and worth reading :)

Phoenix.
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TandL's Shopping Thread 29 Dec 2013 18:36 #9

Hi TandL,

It's one of the links in the tutorial post which may also be helpful and worth reading :)

Phoenix.


I always put the carriage in front of the horse and at the stage of the game I'm at everything here is foreign (terminology). I must admit Quite the display of patience you exhibit here on this site.

Thanks again ...

L

Bye the way this is L (save you some typing) ... T wont be in the picture until after the purchase. ;)

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TandL's Shopping Thread 30 Dec 2013 06:47 #10

I guess I really need to take a step back a bit and begin to figure out what I need and what I need to do to get my current bed to be able to accommodate a new mattress weather it be a latex hybrid (?) or a memory foam. I know I need a foundation and a relatively sturdy one at that. The best fit for me would either be a KD style or a split considering I live in a second floor apartment of a 100 year old house. I initially considered sitting it on the floor but now im second guessing it.

I read through your foundation thread and was able to pull out a couple of manufacturers of KD foundations. I realize that the slat space makes a difference and that it should be less then 3 inches. What im confused with is the height and application of the foundation of a low profile vs a regular profile foundation.

If I were to go with a frame similar to the one pictured below would a low profile foundation be acceptable in this sort of application. I realize speaking with the manufacturer of the mattress that I choose would be best so to meet their warranty specifications.

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