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Ikea Mattress Cutaway Pictures 22 Sep 2013 14:47 #1

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Since Ikea doesn't post the thickness of individual components, I thought some pictures might help. These photos were taken 9/22/2013 at the San Diego Ikea location. Note that the tape measure isn't always aligned exactly at the top of the mattress.





Hogla Coil with poly foam



Holmsta Coil with latex and poly foam



Edsele Latex foam



Elsfjord Latex foam



Favang High resilience poly foam



Finnvik High resilience poly foam plus memory foam



Fjordgard High resilience poly foam plus latex foam



Flokenes High resilience poly foam plus memory foam



Sultan Torod topper unzipped (this pic taken 3/28/2014)

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Ikea Mattress Cutaway Pictures 22 Sep 2013 15:40 #2

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Hi sdmark,

Thanks for the pictures ... they're great!

I've also linked them to the Ikea post here so that other members who are considering an Ikea mattress can see them :)

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Ikea Mattress Cutaway Pictures 13 Apr 2014 21:02 #3

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Some pics of the updated foam mattresses, taken in the San DIego store 4/13/2014. I've posted some comments in post #58 here .

Morgedal 2-layer poly, probably medium firm (mislabeled firmness per salesperson)



Morgedal 2-layer poly, firm. Look closely to see the dividing line between the layers at about 4.5" on the measuring tape.



Here is a closeup where you can see the dividing line a little better:



Matrand memory foam + poly



Matrand latex + poly



Matrand latex label - 12cm (4.7") Mountaintop C3 foam



Myrbacka memory foam + poly



Myrbacka latex + poly



Top of Myrbacka latex sample unzipped. Note sample is only half the length of mattress. Zoning is not as evident on top of latex, but bottom is glued to polyfoam so can't take a picture of that.



Morgonava latex



Bottom of Morgongava latex sample unzipped. Full length of mattress. You can see the seven zones created by different-sized holes.



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Ikea Mattress Cutaway Pictures 13 Apr 2014 21:08 #4

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Hi sdmark,

Thank you very much once again for the pictures ... I really appreciate it :)

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Ikea Mattress Cutaway Pictures 05 Dec 2014 00:02 #5

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Hello Mattress Underground,

I've been reading this site for a few days now (I recall a suggestion to spend an hour or so to review the info here... ha!), and by coincidence I can contribute in a small way before asking questions. (my saga to follow elsewhere)

I have a few pictures of IKEA mattress innards that I took today. Not their demo pieces, but the actual mattress opened up. These are their lower end spring mattresses, but may serve as a starting point for anyone considering them. (I am shopping for a 40 lb kid)

SULTAN HURVA
Very basic model (but not the most basic!).



Construction: Cover, Fabric layer, Bonnel springs, Felt layer, polyfoam (web says 1.5 lb/ft³), Cover. No measurements unfortunately, but I don't think the polyfoam layer was more than 3/4" thk. It is wrapped around slightly in this picture, so looks thicker than it is.

The felt layer seemed to hold the springs together and give a more solid feel than the next model down with the same construction and no felt. This mattress felt firm to me, as if I (~135 lb) was laying on top of it, definitely not in it. A little bit wobbly though. Not too bad, but I definitely felt like I was on top of something.

Concerns:
1. The foam looks very thin and cheap. Experience with the no-felt model (Havberg) related to me says the mattress "wore out" (with a jumper) within 3-4 yrs, but now serves as a "good" base for a Costco mattress. How long could one expect this thin, low-density foam to last for a small, non-jumping child?

2. No data on the spring gauge. It felt "firm" to me, but do the springs actually wear out? And would they for a small child who "doesn't" jump on the mattress (...if there's anybody watching...).

3. No wrapping at the side other than the cover. Sitting on the edge (an important consideration for story time) felt soft but acceptable. I could see this compressing over time if the springs get tired.

SULTAN HANESTAD



Sorry for the cropped picture. This at least shows the pocket springs and thickness of the top layer and surrounding foam. Again, the top layer doesn't look any thicker than 3/4". Website has no information.

This mattress was very soft at the sides - the pocket springs were very soft. It was easily compressible when pressed. The description says it is Firm, but it felt softer than the HALLEN (next). Laying on it, it gave at hips and rear when laying on side and back, and felt a bit precarious, as if I could just ooze off if I wasn't careful. You wouldn't want to spend any time reading a story perched on the side of this one for fear you'd slide off.

Again, how long would the springs and foam last?

SULTAN HALLEN



This one felt good (for IKEA?). It "gave" when laid on, but only in the expected spots - hips, rear, etc. When laying on my side, I could feel my hip sunk into the mattress somewhat, but not too much, and my side right next to it felt supported, unlike a linked-spring mattress that would have a wider depression, leaving some of my side unsupported. It felt like it conformed to my profile as needed. Also, the child moves around a lot when sleeping, and so should spread the load. The sides were also acceptable to sit on for story-time. Presumably this floor model has had some use already too.

The IKEA website says here that the foam on top is "High Resilience", so maybe that explains the feeling of support. This foam looks a little bit thicker too.

Question: Elsewhere on this site, "High Density foam is described as starting around a density of 1.8 lb/cu.ft, and "High Resilience" foam is a notch above, starting at 2.5 lbs. IKEA says that this "HR" foam is 1.5 lb/cu.ft. How can that be? Creative license? A Swedish pound? I guess the HR term isn't controlled?

If I shop at IKEA, I'm trying to choose between a "firm" (at first) spring mattress in the HURVA, and a "giving" mattress in the HALLEN. All the while trying to correlate the effects of a ~135 lb adult to those of a 40 lb child. The mattress will be placed on a very solid built-up plywood base as part of an older wooden bed.

Sure, the child will grow, but how long before their weight is too much for a low-end IKEA spring? And if they sleep on their stomach sometimes, will that cause a problem?

My sense is that a child is a ways away from not getting enough support from the mattress, but I don't want to throw away money, regardless of how cheap it is. It may be an experiment...

Hope the pictures are useful for someone. I may go back and get better ones, but I have a whole saga of our own mattress to deal with as well (elsewhere).
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Ikea Mattress Cutaway Pictures 05 Dec 2014 11:00 #6

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Hi MatRest,

Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and pictures ... I appreciate it :)

There isn't any way to quantify your questions about "how long will this mattress last" because there are too many variables involved but all of them are in a very low quality range so for an adult it could vary from months in some cases to a few years in others (assuming they are comfortable and are a good match in terms of PPP in the first place). In most cases the best you can do is look at the construction of each mattress and look for any obvious weak links and make an "informed judgement" that "this mattress" will likely last longer than "that mattress" but it's not possible to put a specific number of years on a mattress because it depends on how long it takes cross the thresholds from sleeping well on a mattress to "sleeping OK" to "tolerating a mattress" to finally deciding to replace it and this can vary widely between people. You can read about some of the many variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to different people in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

Ikea also doesn't provide all the specs for any of the mattresses you mentioned (see this article ) so it's not really possible to make any particularly meaningful comments about them but I can make a few based on the information they do provide and I would be very hesitant to purchase any of them.


SULTAN HURVA:

I would make sure that it has at least 390 coils in a queen size Bonnell coil. If it has less than this (or if there isn't a good insulator as you discovered) I wouldn't buy it because it wouldn't provide even support and the chances of it becoming lumpy fairly quickly as the foam sinks into the coils would be much too high. The innerspring is 5" tall so if the polyfoam layer is 3/4" then the rest of the 2" comfort layer would be synthetic fiber. With the 1.5 lb polyfoam and fiber and most likely a low coil count this would be a mattress that I would generally only consider as a guest bed or for a child. If it was being used for a child then it would probably be reasonable to expect it to last while they were younger but once they start to grow larger or reach their preteen years then it probably wouldn't be suitable any longer although it could still make a good "base mattress" for a topper.

1. The foam looks very thin and cheap. Experience with the no-felt model (Havberg) related to me says the mattress "wore out" (with a jumper) within 3-4 yrs, but now serves as a "good" base for a Costco mattress.


This would last longer than a similar mattress that didn't have an insulator to keep the padding materials from sinking into the coils and getting lumpy and uncomfortable.

2. No data on the spring gauge. It felt "firm" to me, but do the springs actually wear out? And would they for a small child who "doesn't" jump on the mattress (...if there's anybody watching...).


In most cases the springs aren't the weakest link in a mattress no and the foams above them will usually break down before the springs lose their temper (assuming that the coils are tempured) but with thinner layers of padding the springs will be compressed more so they will be less durable than if there were thicker layers above them so their gauge and coil count would be a little more important. The bigger issue with Bonnell coils (outside of breaking) would be with the springs developing noises or with the springs coming through thinner layers of padding above them.

3. No wrapping at the side other than the cover. Sitting on the edge (an important consideration for story time) felt soft but acceptable. I could see this compressing over time if the springs get tired.


Ikea ships most of their mattresses compressed and to do this they need to remove any border wire in their innersprings so without this or a firmer foam "tub" there would be little edge support and again this could become a durability issue if you sit on the edge of the mattress on a regular basis.


SULTAN HANESTAD:

This mattress only has about an inch and a half of padding (lower density polyfoam and polyester fiber) over the 7" pocket coils. A pocket coil would be less durable than the Bonnell coil in the previous mattress because the coils aren't linked together to "share the load" and this is also a lower coil count than I would tend to look at in a pocket coil mattress. With a thinner layer of padding than the Hallen the coils themselves would be doing more of the compressing and if they are softer than the foam in the Hallen this would account for the difference in feel.


SULTAN HALLEN:

This mattress has about 2.5" of padding (the thicker layer of lower density polyfoam and polyester fiber) over the springs so the foam would be doing more of the compressing than in the Hanestad which is probably the reason it felt firmer and more "supportive" than the Hanestad. Again though ... this is a lower coil count than I would tend to consider in a pocket coil mattress. The thicker padding compared to the Hallen would also make it less durable (more "soft stuff" on top to soften and break down over time) so it may have more of a tendency to develop soft spots or impressions over time.

The IKEA website says here that the foam on top is "High Resilience", so maybe that explains the feeling of support. This foam looks a little bit thicker too.

Question: Elsewhere on this site, "High Density foam is described as starting around a density of 1.8 lb/cu.ft, and "High Resilience" foam is a notch above, starting at 2.5 lbs. IKEA says that this "HR" foam is 1.5 lb/cu.ft. How can that be? Creative license? A Swedish pound? I guess the HR term isn't controlled?


1.5 lb polyfoam isn't HR polyfoam so this is "creative license". The foam in the Hallen could be a higher performance polyfoam that has a higher resilience than the same density polyfoam used in the Hanestad or in the Hurva (which would also make it more costly) but it would be in a similar durability range to other 1.5 lb foams and high performance polyfoam isn't the same as HR polyfoam even if it does have a higher resilience than conventional polyfoam. Resilience is the percentage rebound when a ball is dropped on a material and higher resilience means that the ball will bounce higher. To qualify as actual HR polyfoam a foam would need to be 2.5 lb density, have a compression modulus or 2.4 or higher, and have a resilience of 60%.

If I shop at IKEA, I'm trying to choose between a "firm" (at first) spring mattress in the HURVA, and a "giving" mattress in the HALLEN. All the while trying to correlate the effects of a ~135 lb adult to those of a 40 lb child. The mattress will be placed on a very solid built-up plywood base as part of an older wooden bed.

Sure, the child will grow, but how long before their weight is too much for a low-end IKEA spring? And if they sleep on their stomach sometimes, will that cause a problem?


If I had to choose between these mattresses for a child (although I would hesitate to choose any of them) I would lean towards the Hurva with the Bonnell coil which would likely be firmer and more suitable for a child and also more durable and could also make a good "base mattress" for a topper so you could extend its useful life when they get older and heavier and begin to develop and need some additional padding and pressure relief in their mattress .

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Ikea Mattress Cutaway Pictures 05 Dec 2014 20:34 #7

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Hi Phoenix,

Thank you for the feedback. You raise some interesting points.

Yes, I wouldn't expect these mattresses to last long for anyone but a child. I was just trying to gauge the relative "quality" based on the info available.

SULTAN HURVA

...The innerspring is 5" tall so if the polyfoam layer is 3/4" then the rest of the 2" comfort layer would be synthetic fiber...


I'm not sure about the spring height, but I would be very surprised if there is a 2" comfort layer anywhere in this mattress. You can't really tell from the picture, but the quilting (ticking?) on the top is not very plush. It might add another 1/2" at most. Like I said though, I didn't measure, so I can't argue other than impressions.

Yes, this mattress is available roll-packed, so that is likely one reason there is no side-support. That is important for story-time.

SULTAN HALLEN

This mattress has about 2.5" of padding (the thicker layer of lower density polyfoam and polyester fiber) over the springs [...] The thicker padding compared to

[sic. you mean "in"? ]

the Hallen would also make it less durable (more "soft stuff" on top to soften and break down over time) so it may have more of a tendency to develop soft spots or impressions over time.


I didn't see 2.5" of padding, do you have an additional spec? I only noticed the one layer of foam on top, which I took to be their "high resilience" (not "High Resilience") layer. There may be some in the quilting, but again, I would be surprised if it made up 2.5". I would have to look again, with a tape. Regardless, I take your point about less durability since it relies on more of the lower quality foam. It has more room to fall, so to speak.

If I had to choose between these mattresses for a child (although I would hesitate to choose any of them) I would lean towards the Hurva with the Bonnell coil which would likely be firmer and more suitable for a child and also more durable and could also make a good "base mattress" for a topper so you could extend its useful life when they get older and heavier and begin to develop and need some additional padding and pressure relief in their mattress .


That was my thought as well. The only thing that made me consider the Hallen is its initial feel. But that's for me, not the child. I suspect that the firm mattress would not be as much of an issue for a small child. It's possible that the firmness would be tolerable for longer (let alone with a topper) than the support from the pocket coils would last in the Hallen. But the Hallen felt good in the store... I might also take the child's preference into account, but that's always tricky.... ;)

Still at this price range for a twin, either is well within a short-term (4 - 5 yrs?) experiement, provided one is ok with that up front. I realize for someone to advertise that they're considering budget IKEA after having read the info on this site could be ...disturbing..., but I've got our mattress to consider too, and I'm not ready to claim expertise enough to try my hand at two mattresses when this stop gap may do.

I don't like "subject creep", so I'll post elsewhere with the full saga that led me here....

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Ikea Mattress Cutaway Pictures 06 Dec 2014 02:27 #8

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Hi MatRest,

I'm not sure about the spring height, but I would be very surprised if there is a 2" comfort layer anywhere in this mattress. You can't really tell from the picture, but the quilting (ticking?) on the top is not very plush. It might add another 1/2" at most. Like I said though, I didn't measure, so I can't argue other than impressions.


I believe that the coil is 5" tall and the mattress itself is 7 1/8" tall so the other layers (foam and fiber padding and the fire barrier) would be about 2". If you were to measure the foam it would probably be closer to 1" and then the fiber padding and the fire barrier would probably be about another inch at its thickest point. They don't list the layer thickness but this would probably be close.

[sic. you mean "in"? ]


There was an "if" in my reply for the Hallen which was a typo and should have read "it" and I also spelled "pocket" as "picket. Both have been corrected so it now reads correctly. Is that what you were referring to?

I didn't see 2.5" of padding, do you have an additional spec? I only noticed the one layer of foam on top, which I took to be their "high resilience" (not "High Resilience") layer. There may be some in the quilting, but again, I would be surprised if it made up 2.5". I would have to look again, with a tape. Regardless, I take your point about less durability since it relies on more of the lower quality foam. It has more room to fall, so to speak.


The pocket coil in this mattress is 7" tall (see the measurements here ) and the Sultan Hallen mattress is 9.5" tall so the foam and fiber layers should be about 2.5" thick in total (again at their thickest part).

That was my thought as well. The only thing that made me consider the Hallen is its initial feel. But that's for me, not the child. I suspect that the firm mattress would not be as much of an issue for a small child.


Children will generally do better on a firmer mattress than would be comfortable for an adult because their bodies are less developed, more flexible and pliable, and less "curvy" than an adult.

Still at this price range for a twin, either is well within a short-term (4 - 5 yrs?) experiement, provided one is ok with that up front. I realize for someone to advertise that they're considering budget IKEA after having read the info on this site could be ...disturbing..., but I've got our mattress to consider too, and I'm not ready to claim expertise enough to try my hand at two mattresses when this stop gap may do.


Assuming that the coil count is not lower than the numbers in the 312 unit here ... I think it would be a suitable lower budget choice for a child and would give you the option to add a topper if they need it down the road as they grow bigger.

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Ikea Mattress Cutaway Pictures 11 Dec 2014 19:29 #9

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Hello Phoenix,

I am no longer considering the IKEA mattresses (at the moment - except as last resort), but for the sake of completeness, here are a couple more pictures I took of the HALLEN layers:

Direct Measurement - top and bottom foam layer is 1" thick. I see spring height (between top and bottom foam layers) to be 5.5" or so.


Another view - looks like the mattress is less compressed here. (?)



From the outside



It looks like the quilting and top/bottom cover are fairly thick, ~ 2" or so total.
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Hi MattRest,

Direct Measurement - top and bottom foam layer is 1" thick. I see spring height (between top and bottom foam layers) to be 5.5" or so.


Thanks for the additional pictures :)

The foam is somewhat obscuring the view of the springs and I think if you were to measure the height of the springs themselves you would find they are 5" (which is a standard thickness) and the rest of the mattress' thickness (measured from crown to crown rather than from the tape edge) would be the padding which would include the insulator, the foam, and the cover and quilting.

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