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Hampton Inn Serta Cloud Nine Substitute? 07 Sep 2013 08:00 #1

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Hi!
So I've read this website's helpful tutorial on beds, and I've read so much about various beds online that my head is spinning, to the extent that I have decided off and on just not to get a new mattress. I think I want a "plush firm" innerspring mattress, but who knows... I can lay on a lot of mattresses for 15 minutes and be comfy, but that doesn't translate into overnight comfort. Also, so many folks say the model they tried in the store felt very different from the one that showed up in their home. So I thought of the last really comfortable sleep I had. It was this summer in Maine at the Hampton Inn.
They use the Serta Cloud Nine made especially for the hotel, but they do sell it online. Problem is, folks say it's not the same bed as the hotel's when you order online. And there isn't a lot of information about the various layers. Does anyone happen to know a good direction to go in for a substitute brand if I really like the cloud nine?
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Hampton Inn Serta Cloud Nine Substitute? 07 Sep 2013 16:37 #2

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Hi lora,

The first place I would start your research is post #1 here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choice ... and avoid the worst ones (including Serta). It also includes testing guidelines that can help you test a mattress for pressure relief, alignment and your personal preferences. Testing a mattress for "comfort" alone (which is very subjective) to make your choice is among the worst ways to choose a mattress and has lower odds of making the most suitable choice than random chance alone (see this study ).

Also, so many folks say the model they tried in the store felt very different from the one that showed up in their home. So I thought of the last really comfortable sleep I had. It was this summer in Maine at the Hampton Inn.
They use the Serta Cloud Nine made especially for the hotel, but they do sell it online. Problem is, folks say it's not the same bed as the hotel's when you order online.


You can read a little more about hotel mattresses and why they often feel different at home than in the hotel in post #3 here and the other posts it links to but they are also among the worst choices in terms of quality and value and you also won't be able to find out the quality of the materials they use in their mattresses. A mattress is only as good as its construction and the quality of the materials inside it and I would completely avoid any manufacturer who won't tell consumers the quality of the materials they use in their mattresses.

Does anyone happen to know a good direction to go in for a substitute brand if I really like the cloud nine?


You can read a little more about "matching" another mattress in post #9 here but since they don't disclose anything about the specifics of what is in the mattress there is no way to "match" it except with your own personal testing and trying to "match" a memory of a subjective 'feeling" isn't an accurate way to match one mattress to another.

I would follow the guidelines and focus on smaller manufacturers and sleep shops that can "educate" you about their mattresses instead of "selling" you and provide you with all the information you need to make an informed buying decision.

Once you get to step 3 ... if you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about some of the better options and possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

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Hampton Inn Serta Cloud Nine Substitute? 08 Sep 2013 06:25 #3

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Morning!
I understand that you, and Sleep like the Dead, recommend against purchasing mattresses from Serta, Sealy, Simmons and other major brands because of lack of transparency and lack of quality components in their mattresses. I'm all for avoiding paying a large sum of money for a mattress that will break down in very little time, in part because the mattress buying process is SO heinous. I have read post #1 over and over, as I have read your introduction to mattresses. It is just too much for me to take in, I need some initial help on which direction to head in, because as you say, if I connect with the right people I don't have to know all of the finer details.
1. I want an innerspring mattress with pocket coils. I know there are arguments against this type of mattress for a side sleeper, but I am committed to sticking with an innerspring, even if it means using a topper for added comfort.
I want a mattress that has high quality support/comfort layers that will stand the test of time, but that are not pillowy or even necessarily plush. My priority is getting a DURABLE mattress that will not sag or wear out quickly. I am a light weight - 105-110 pounds side sleeper with hip and shoulder tenderness. I need some pressure point relief, but a mattress that is too soft gives me a backache. That's why I am willing to go with a firmer mattress and soften it to my needs with a topper.
2. Please help me to avoid the major manufacturers by giving me some names to research and try. My price is $1000.
3.I live in Vermont, this is a rural area and I know of no small sleep shops. If you do, please tell me of them. zipcode 05076
You have directed me to steps 1-3 in post one a couple of times, but I feel like I need some direction in even getting to steps 1-3.
If you know brands for quality innerspring on the firmer side $1000 mattresses I could look at, or sleep shops in my area that could help me with these questions, please tell me
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Hampton Inn Serta Cloud Nine Substitute? 08 Sep 2013 13:42 #4

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Hi lora,

I have read your introduction to mattresses. It is just too much for me to take in, I need some initial help on which direction to head in, because as you say, if I connect with the right people I don't have to know all of the finer details.


If you've read the basic information "over and over" you have probably spent more time than you really need. Reading it once or twice like you would like you would "read a good book" will give you more than enough information to recognize the better and more knowledgeable retailers.

1. I want an innerspring mattress with pocket coils. I know there are arguments against this type of mattress for a side sleeper, but I am committed to sticking with an innerspring, even if it means using a topper for added comfort.


I also know or have talked to many people that have an argument against innersprings or pocket coils but none of them have a "good" argument. The type of support component in a mattress is a matter of preference and some of the most knowledgeable people I know in the industry that could sleep on anything they choose prefer an innerspring (with high quality comfort layers ... often latex) over anything else. Pocket coils are also more likely to be suitable for side sleepers than other types of coils (although this would depend on the specifics of the person and the mattress construction) because they are more conforming than other types of coil because they act independently of each other. A pocket coil mattress can be as "comfortable" or as "pressure relieving" as anyone would need and this would depend on the type of pocket coil and on the padding that was above the innerspring. The support component of a mattress (innerspring or otherwise) is not generally the weak link of a mattress.

My priority is getting a DURABLE mattress that will not sag or wear out quickly. I am a light weight - 105-110 pounds side sleeper with hip and shoulder tenderness. I need some pressure point relief, but a mattress that is too soft gives me a backache. That's why I am willing to go with a firmer mattress and soften it to my needs with a topper.


The most important part of durability and the useful life of a mattress is the quality of the layers above the innerspring. Your own personal testing will tell you more about whether a mattress is suitable for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and personal preferences) than anything else. As you are mentioning if the support components are too soft or the comfort layers are too thick/soft for your body type and sleeping positions then the risk of alignment issues (back aches) are higher. It's generally more effective to choose a mattress that already has the combination of layers that you need because if you buy a mattress and a topper separately you will have to deal with two separate purchases that each have their own variables instead of just one. If you do decide to buy a mattress and a topper then it's generally best to test the exact combination you plan to purchase in person. If you make a mistake in your mattress choice and the mattress is too firm then a topper can be a backup plan to add additional softness but it's not as easy as "getting it right" with just a mattress without a topper.

2. Please help me to avoid the major manufacturers by giving me some names to research and try. My price is $1000.
3.I live in Vermont, this is a rural area and I know of no small sleep shops. If you do, please tell me of them. zipcode 05076
You have directed me to steps 1-3 in post one a couple of times, but I feel like I need some direction in even getting to steps 1-3.


Post #4 here includes some of the better "possibilities" around the Burlington, VT area based on some earlier preliminary research and I spent the morning doing some preliminary research around the Topsham, VT area and the better options or possibilities that are closer to you along with the brands they carry that have higher odds of you being able to find out the materials in their mattresses includes ...

www.heartofvermont.com/ Barre, VT. Barre, VT. Carries Royal-Pedic innerspring/natural fiber mattresses which are high quality mattresses but also carry premium prices.

www.greenmountainorganics.com/ St Johnsbury, VT. Savvy Rest component latex mattresses

www.loonrustics.com/ Lincoln, NH. Carries Savvy Rest component latex mattresses

mattressland.comcastbiz.net/ Berlin, Waterbury, VT. Symbol, Natura (may no longer carry Natura).

www.bridgmans.com/ Lebanon, NH. Gold Bond including 2 sided.

www.loonrustics.com/ Lincoln, NH. Carries Savvy Rest component latex mattresses

lovesbeddingandfurniture.com/contact.php Claremont, NH. Pure Talalay Bliss, King Koil XL. They understand the importance of knowing the materials in your mattress and Bobby is the "expert" here.

www.sunsetmattressfactory.com/index.htm Ossipee, NH. Independent factory direct manufacturer that makes some "old style" and good quality innerspring/cotton mattresses with working box springs that are good value.

www.godnicksfurniture.com/ Rutland, VT. Carries Pure Talalay Bliss and Gold Bond

I would call these first and ask if they have any mattresses that are similar to your criteria (a pocket spring mattress with good quality comfort layers) on their floor that you can test. A general description of what you are looking for would be a pocket coil mattress that used either latex, a microcoil, or 1.8 lb or better polyfoam (in a one sided mattress), or 1.5 lb polyfoam or better (in a two sided mattress) in the comfort layers above the innerspring. I would also let them know your budget range so that you have a good idea that what you are looking for is available in your budget. The manufacturer wouldn't matter because it's the quality of the construction and the materials that "makes" the mattress regardless of the brand.

Hope this helps.

Phoenix
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