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Brooklyn Bedding 12 Aug 2013 19:51 #16

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Hi AdamW,

I thought latex was similar to memory foam in that regard. We really want latex - but we also want to limit that feeling of the bed bouncing every time either one of us moves.


To some degree this will depend on the specific construction of the mattress in terms of the firmness of the layers and the cover and quilting materials but in general terms latex is "good" with motion separation compared to other materials (more with larger movements than smaller "vibrations") but not as good in this regard as memory foam (which is excellent in this regard) which absorbs energy more (hysteresis) and has little resilience (doesn't spring back with pressure).

It is nothing like a typical innerspring mattress that uses helicals to connect the coils.

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Brooklyn Bedding 13 Aug 2013 05:55 #17

Thanks .... so, if I may stretch this metaphor ... If, on a scale of 1-10, a good innerspring were a '3', and a memory foam were a '10' - then a good latex bed would be like a '8'? Or closer to a '6'?

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Brooklyn Bedding 13 Aug 2013 11:55 #18

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Hi AdamW,

I don't think it's possible to measure motion isolation in quite the way you are suggesting because there are variables between each material, between combinations of materials and components, and between the type of movement you are trying to isolate (larger bouncy movements, smaller vibration type of movements etc) and the effect of comfort layers (latex, memory foam, microcoils) compared to the effect of support layers (latex, innersprings). Comfort layers will have more of an effect on smaller or slower movements or can damp the effect of the layers below while support layers will have more of an effect on larger, stronger, or faster movements. There are also different types of each material and different mattress constructions that can have more of an effect than the material itself. Trying to make comparisons for each material in isolation can be more misleading than helpful.

For example ... memory foam is a much more energy absorbing material and is also very point elastic (conforms to the shape of the body more exactly .. at least if it's good memory foam) and would typically be the "best" at motion isolation. But if you put memory foam on top of an innerspring that has helicals then you would still feel the stronger or faster movements that went "through" the memory foam and compressed the springs. In the same way if you had a memory foam comfort layer and then had a quilted cover that didn't have any stretch you may feel smaller movements more because the cover would "pull" when you moved ... especially if someone was heavier.

Latex, like memory foam, is very point elastic which means that it compresses at millions of specific points across the surface to take on the shape of the body profile with much less effect on the area around the point of compression but it is also highly resilient which means it absorbs much less energy than memory foam which has little to no resilience at all. If you throw a ball at memory foam attached to a wall it will just drop to the floor while if you throw a ball against a wall with latex it will bounce back.

Because of all the variables ... I would use more "fuzzy" ratings and avoid the tendency to rate the relative effect of each material in isolation or as exactly as you are suggesting. As a comfort layer memory foam would be "excellent" and latex would be "good". As a support layer memory foam isn't used so it can't be included in a comparison with other support materials and I would rate springs that use helicals as "poor to fair" depending on the type of spring, and pocket coils (which don't use helicals and compress more individually) and latex as "good". Polyfoam is also generally good at motion isolation.

Box springs under a mattress or other support systems that flex under a mattress can also transfer more motion than a support system that has no flex at all.

All of these would be subject to the specifics of the overall mattress construction and the sensitivity and sleeping style of the people on the mattress which may have just as much of an effect as the material itself. This is why you will see some people saying they can feel their partners movement on a certain mattress when large numbers of people say they feel nothing at all. Different people are more sensitive to different types of movement and different mattress constructions will have different overall effects on motion isolation so testing a specific mattress is usually the best way to know with the caveat that memory foam will tend to improve motion isolation more than other materials regardless of the type of construction.

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Brooklyn Bedding 13 Aug 2013 14:44 #19

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Phoenix can really get to the details...
All I meant on my comment (about feeling my wife move) was that Memory foam is better than anything else for movement isolation - I don't really know much more than that.
I would buy latex again if I did it all over from the beginning.

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Brooklyn Bedding 13 Aug 2013 17:47 #20

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Hi jefmoody,

All I meant on my comment (about feeling my wife move) was that Memory foam is better than anything else for movement isolation - I don't really know much more than that.


I've been known from time to time to go into a fair bit of detail :)

Part of this of course is that it creates some references that explain the "why" behind the "what" so it makes more logical sense and makes the site more useful for "fact checking".

Your answer is certainly more short, sweet, and to the point that memory foam is "better' than latex at movement isolation :)

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Brooklyn Bedding 13 Aug 2013 19:19 #21

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Phoenix, the funny thing is that I read every detail you write (mattress knowledge envy).
Keep it up!

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Brooklyn Bedding 14 Aug 2013 20:50 #22

Hi, I am also new to this site. Have been researching latex mattresses and my head is spinning. Actually got to try a couple today in RI at the Clean Bedroom so have an idea how they feel. I was pretty happy with the Savvy Rest. However I like what I am reading on this forum about Brooklyn bedding so went to their site. Spoke with Carlos who was very helpful and we are going to speak by phone tomorrow. I am trying to choose between the Total Latex or the Essence. the Essence doesn't have any reviews. I will tell you that I am a side sleeper for the most part, have fibromyalgia, RA and had major back surgery a couple of years ago and still quite uncomfortable. Haven't had a full night's sleep since. Would you have an opinion on which would be best for me....the all latex or the essense? and if the all latex one, do I get the talaly or Dunlop for the bottom. I am (on Carlos advice) gettimg a 7 firmness.Any thoughts?

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Brooklyn Bedding 14 Aug 2013 22:08 #23

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Hi deb38,

The choice between 100% natural Dunlop and Talalay is a matter of personal preference. They are both very high quality versions of latex. They both come in a range of firmness levels but have a different "feel". You can see some of the differences between the different types of latex in post #6 here and a little more about the difference in how they "feel" in post #7 here . The Essence has a Dunlop base and Dunlop tends to be a little more supportive and firmer than Talalay in the same ILD and it has 100% natural talalay in the top layer for a comfort layer. The Total latex mattress is all blended Talalay.

You can probably test the difference between 100% natural Dunlop and 100% natural Talalay or even a combination with 6" of Dunlop and the top 3" of 100% natural Talalay (which is similar to blended Talalay) at Clean Bedroom because the Savvy Rest has options for both.

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Brooklyn Bedding 15 Aug 2013 03:31 #24

Thank you so much for your very quick reply! But I did see a typo in my original post. Carlos said to get a "6" not a "7". I was "this close" to purchasing a mattress from "Astrabeds" until I came across some posts on your site. I'm not sure I completely understand what this issue was but didn't want to take the chance. But I have to admit, their constant sales that ended in "5 hours!" made me feel pressured to buy in order to get the "deal" and I don't like purchasing like that. That's when I read about Brooklyn bedding. I have read many many posts on here and they have been very helpful. Thank you for this site and all the research and work that you put in.
I did try both at the Clean Bedroom but with toppers as they were too firm on my back without one. But there was a topper there with wool inside rather than latex and I really liked that on top of a latex mattress. Have you had any experience with that topper? I just wonder if it won't flatten out but at the price point (a couple hundred dollars), vs the latex topper, that wouldn't be so bad if it lasted a couple of years. Anyway, I am way overthinking all of this and every time I think I've found the one I am going to order, I back off because of ????. This is a big decision.

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Brooklyn Bedding 15 Aug 2013 10:29 #25

Hello!

My spouse and I are looking at a new mattress as we are desperately in need of one as our 11 year old Spring Air is beyond hope!

We have two "Grand Canyons" on either side and "Mt Everest" in the middle....YIKES :sick:

We have tested various mattresses for the past year but have not found one that we trust (after lurking on this site for several months)...and to be honest, the prices of several of our most comfortable ones are simply way to expensive.

Brooklyn Bedding is in the running as one of the top ones we would even consider for an internet sale of a mattress...kind of scary to purchase one without "testing" it......

Hopefully we can make a decision within the next week because both of our sleep is suffering even with a Northern Nights fluffy feather bed to help mitigate the hip pressure points...(this does not work very well but is better than sleeping on coils... :( )

Our biggest concern is having it be comfortable.

We live in the Denver Area and found a mattress at "Sleep Nation". Their Dry Creek and Orchard Road mattresses were both very comfortable. They do come with a foundation as we will be "retiring" the Spring air to a barely used guest room. If we went with Brooklyn Bedding we would also have to get a foundation that would fit our king headboard/footboard/frame.....

Well that's it for now.....back to running errands!

Thanks for all the great information here at the site!

Autumn :)

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