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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 13 Sep 2013 19:15 #11

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Hi Phoenix,

We finally exchanged our mattress during our guaranteed period. We decided to go with a latex mattress, because I was very worried about the comfort of the memory foam after our bad experience. Their main line of latex was pure latex bliss. We went with the Pamper, because I was really worried about the mattress being to soft. And I remember that you can always make it softer, not firmer. Plus, cost was a concern, with latex costing much more than I was anticipating paying for a mattress.

Well now we have a Pamper and it is definitely too hard. I would love your opinion on a topper. I have been reading your mattress forums and I found your recommended websites for toppers. I believe that we will use one of those. Most of them seem to allow us to exchange if not satisfied in the first 90 days.

I am thinking from what I have read on your mattress forum, I should probably get a latex 2 inch topper, but I am not sure how thick and what kind. Any advice you have, would be great.

Thanks for any help!

Kate

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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 13 Sep 2013 21:59 #12

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Hi rkate,

I'm not at all surprised that the Pamper is too firm because it's the firmest of the lineup and there is only 2" of latex in between you and the 40 ILD support core.

Post #8 here and the posts it links to has some guidelines for choosing a topper depending on whether you are looking for "a touch to a little" or "a little to a fair bit" or "a fair bit or a lot" more softness in your mattress based on your experience on your mattress..

A good "average" choice for a latex topper would be in the range of 2" and for most people ... 19 - 24 ILD would be in the "soft" range. Very light body types may prefer 14 ILD which is "ultra soft" while heavier body types may prefer 28 ILD and higher but the "feeling" of softness varies by body type, sleeping position and individual perception along with the thickness and ILD of the topper.

"Just enough" in terms of softness and thickness is usually better than too much of either because a little firmer or a little thinner will generally be less risky for spinal alignment.

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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 19 Sep 2013 15:09 #13

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Thanks Phoenix!

I appreciate all of your advice. We are looking at the Brooklyn Bedding online store. They have a 2 inch latex topper in lots of variations of firmness. We are considering a 24.

From your response, this looks like it good be a good middle of the road option.

Anything you think we are missing?

Kate

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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 19 Sep 2013 18:37 #14

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Hi rkate,

Anything you think we are missing?


No ... not if it matches your experience in the guidelines and you need a "little to a fair bit" more softness then it would make a good choice and it's also a good "average" choice as well that would work well for many people.

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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 05 Oct 2013 07:37 #15

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Hi Phoenix,

We have been sleeping a week now with the 2 inch 24 ILD from Brooklyn Bedding on our PLB Pamper bed. It is an improvement from just the Pamper, but still feels pretty firm for us. The memory foam was way too soft for me (as I talked about early on in this thread) so I am concerned about going too soft. We contacted Brooklyn Bedding at they suggest a 3 inch 19. That sounds pretty soft. Their next softest down is a 19 ILD. Going to a 3 inch with a 19 ILD sounded like a big change. Not being able to test it, I thought I would see what you thought.

Thanks!

Kate

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5 Weeks on new Memory Foam - Waking up Sore 05 Oct 2013 15:06 #16

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Hi rkate,

I agree that would be a fairly big change when you are switching to softer latex and a thicker layer.

It's difficult to compare latex with your experience on memory foam because memory foam is technically a softer material and the ILD changes with pressure, temperature, humidity, and the length of time it's compressed and latex only responds to pressure. Most memory foam has an ILD in the range of under 10 to about 18 (usually under 15) but this is very misleading because of the temperature sensitivity and different response of memory foam. Latex is a more resilient and "supportive" material than most memory foam.

Each retailer or manufacturer may have their own preferences or thoughts when it comes to layering suggestions and there is no "right or wrong" because in the end the experience of each person is the only real "authority" but my own approach tends to be a little more conservative with thickness and softness because of the higher risks involved in using thicker and softer layers in terms of alignment and alignment issues are more difficult to "fix". In the end though ... only your own personal experience can really know which topper/mattress combination works best for you and because of all the variables between each person's body type, sleeping style, and personal preferences it's not unusual for some trial and error to be involved when you can't test the specific combinations in person. This is particularly true for people who are more sensitive to smaller changes compared to people who seem to be able to "sleep on anything". You may also find that because of your different weights that each of you will feel differently about the same combination and there may need to be some compromises in a topper with a single firmness on both sides but since you are both back sleepers I would be cautious about going too thick because there is more "room" for your pelvis to "travel" before it reaches the firmer support layer which can lead to a higher risk of alignment issues.

For most people 4" of softer latex would be easily enough to isolate them from the firmness of the layers below and 19 ILD would be on the lower end of what most people consider to be "soft" in terms of the surface "feel" but again all of this can vary tremendously between people and different sensitivities and preferences.

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