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Charles P. Rogers 14 Aug 2014 15:14 #31

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I would like to update this thread based on a discussion today with the head of the company. It may help others who are looking at mattresses that are on the NJ showroom floor, make an informed decision when considering to purchase there.

Only the power core mattresses are currently made at the NJ factory, they don't have the equipment/tooling to make the others. The other mattresses are made in China or the Phillippines to CP Rogers specifications.

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Charles P. Rogers 14 Aug 2014 16:36 #32

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Hi sunshine13,

Thanks for sharing the results of your research and conversation with the forum ... I appreciate it :)

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Charles P. Rogers 10 Nov 2014 15:15 #33

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Is there anyone still using a Charles P Rogers mattress? I'm looking for a mattress for my 2nd bedroom and was recently recommended this mattress to be used with this platform bed, but I'm kind of weary about blindly purchasing a mattress and bed online without guarantee of a full refund if it doesn't work out for me.

Phoenix, do you have anything to add in regards to this company (it seems they previously had transparency issues regarding the material?) What are your thoughts on innerspring mattresses in general? It seems you tend to recommend foam more than innerspring, though I could be wrong there.

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Charles P. Rogers 10 Nov 2014 16:17 #34

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Hi TemporaryCatatonic,

Is there anyone still using a Charles P Rogers mattress? I'm looking for a mattress for my 2nd bedroom and was recently recommended this mattress to be used with this platform bed, but I'm kind of weary about blindly purchasing a mattress and bed online without guarantee of a full refund if it doesn't work out for me.


I don't have any personal experience on their mattresses so I can't comment about how they feel for me or someone else or how suitable they may be in terms of PPP (and hopefully some of the members here that own one of their mattresses will see you post and share their feedback) but you can see some of my comments and some feedback about Charles P Rogers in general in this topic (which is the one we are posting in) and in this topic . A forum search on Charles P Rogers (you can just click the link) will bring up more comments and feedback about them as well.

Phoenix, do you have anything to add in regards to this company (it seems they previously had transparency issues regarding the material?) What are your thoughts on innerspring mattresses in general? It seems you tend to recommend foam more than innerspring, though I could be wrong there.


I consider the type of materials and components in a mattress to be a preference issue and there are many people who do very well with an innerspring mattress that uses high quality materials over the innerspring. There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here but while I don't recommend specific materials or components or make suggestions about any other preference issue ... what I do recommend is that no matter what type of mattress you tend to prefer that it uses good quality and durable materials and that there are no obvious weak links in the mattress (see post #4 here ).

I also don't recommend any specific mattresses (polyfoam or innerspring or latex or memory foam or otherwise) because there are too many unknowns and variables involved to make a specific mattress recommendation for someone else based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance". Your own careful testing for PPP (using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post) will be the most reliable way to decide whether a mattress is a good "match" for you but if you can't test a mattress in person then a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced manufacturer or retailer that is more familiar with "matching" their own mattresses to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences based on the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you would be a much more reliable source of guidance about making the most suitable choice (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ). If you aren't confident about the suitability of your choice then the return or exchange options that are available would also become a more important part of the "value" of your purchase.

Charles P Rogers makes their own springs for their Powercore mattresses but the others are made in China to their specifications (NOTE: this is apparently no longer be the case ... see post #53 here ). An innerspring isn't usually the weakest link of a mattress and some of their mattresses use latex comfort layers which is a high quality and durable material so I would certainly consider any of their mattresses that had latex comfort layers and didn't have more than about an inch or so of either polyfoam or memory foam where you didn't know the density of the layer. If you can find out the density of any memory foam or polyfoam in their mattresses (if there is more than about an inch or so) and they are inside the foam density guidelines I would suggest then I would certainly consider these as well.

While they would likely be a better quality/value choice than most of the mainstream mattresses that most people end up purchasing ... once there is about 2" or more of either lower quality or "unknown" quality materials in the upper layers of a mattress then there would be a potential weak link in the mattress and any purchase where you don't know the quality of the materials and components in all the layers (especially the upper layers) would be a much higher risk purchase with a much higher chance of buyers remorse much too quickly after a purchase regardless of the name of the manufacturer. They told me that they don't provide foam density information to their customers but some of the comments in the previous topics I listed seem to indicate that they may provide them if you are in the store.

If in fact they don't provide the information listed here to their customers ... I don't think they are doing themselves any favors by not providing the information that their customers need to make a more informed choice and to make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses ... especially if they really are using higher quality/density materials than most of their mainstream competitors.

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Charles P. Rogers 10 Nov 2014 16:32 #35

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Phoenix,

Thanks for the detailed reply as always.
You have a good point about them not providing the material information to customers - it's odd that they wouldn't disclose that info if they are in fact using high quality materials. The gentleman that recommended this particular mattress & bed combo seems to like Charles P Rogers in general and I found it odd that he recommended that particular company when there are sure to be more options in the Orange County area where I live. He also didn't seem particularly fond of this site or foam mattresses in general so I wasn't sure what to make of that.

Anyway, I found this post by you regarding mattress retailers in the LA area so I'll take a look at them and see if there's something that might work for me.
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Charles P. Rogers 10 Nov 2014 16:46 #36

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Hi catatonic (why do you even need a bed? :lol: )

I have the St Charles Mattress. I posted the earlier threads about lack of information from the salesperson. However, I will say that having slept on this bed for several months now, my husband and I LOVE this mattress. It is solid and so comfortable, if you like a firm mattress. I cannot feel my husband getting in or out of bed.

So, we are happy with the purchase despite the lack of forthcoming info during the purchase/delivery process.

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Charles P. Rogers 27 Mar 2015 15:44 #37

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Just wanted to provide some Charles P Rogers feedback. While I do not have experience with their mattresses, I now own one of their beds. And let me just say that the quality is absolutely top notch. We are talking hierloom-worthy. This is just an incredibly solid / massive piece of furniture without cheap fillers. Solid mahogany throughout, with the possible exception of the headboard panel which is veneered (and I obviously can't see inside it). The attention to deal in this bed is apparent. The crating and packaging went above and beyond. Everything arrived with nary a scratch nor flaw. Just very impressive all the way around.

FYI !

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Charles P. Rogers 03 Apr 2015 14:25 #38

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Hi.. I appreciate all the helpful information on your site! i called Charles Rogers with some questions about the Powercose mattresses and was really disappointed with the rep I spoke with. He was very impatient and .could or would not answer in any detail. He did offer that the foam is from Capital Foam around the corner in Rutherford, NJ (so it is NOT from Hickory or Carpenter as advertised on their website and also noted by The Old Bed Guy). That lack of disclosure bothers me.. I also asked him to explain the difference between the Powercore foundation at $400 and the $200 St Regis one (other than aesthetics) and said I'd like to purchase the less expensive one as it would be covered by the bed frame and bedskirt. He said they wouldn't sell the cheaper one to me. Unless there is something functional or more heavy duty about the Powercore foundation at double the price, I would be paying $200 for cosmetic reasons. I'm not sure I will purchase there now. I am considering a Restopedic as I had a very nice conversation with the owner, who was happy to answer my questions. They don't have pocketed coils, however, so I want to take some time to visit them and test their beds,

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Charles P. Rogers 03 Apr 2015 16:00 #39

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Hi buddercup,

Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and feedback about Charles P. Rogers ... I appreciate it.

He did offer that the foam is from Capital Foam around the corner in Rutherford, NJ (so it is NOT from Hickory or Carpenter as advertised on their website and also noted by The Old Bed Guy).


Just for the sake of clarity ... Capitol Foam is a foam fabricator and not a foam manufacturer so they could be getting their foam from any of the many foam manufacturers in the US (including Carpenter or Hickory) and then they would be the ones that then cut it to size. I should also mention that there are many foam manufacturers in the US that make very high quality foams besides Carpenter and Hickory and for anyone to suggest that there are only two is both misleading and inaccurate.

I also asked him to explain the difference between the Powercore foundation at $400 and the $200 St Regis one (other than aesthetics) and said I'd like to purchase the less expensive one as it would be covered by the bed frame and bedskirt. He said they wouldn't sell the cheaper one to me. Unless there is something functional or more heavy duty about the Powercore foundation at double the price, I would be paying $200 for cosmetic reasons.


It's possible that the St Regis foundation isn't suitable for their Powercore mattresses for some reason or wouldn't meet their warranty criteria for that specific mattress but they should at least be able to explain the difference between them and why they wouldn't sell you the lower cost foundation because you are asking a legitimate question.

I'm not sure I will purchase there now.


I'm not sure which mattress you were looking at but if you do decide to include them as an option then I would make sure that you are able to find out the specifics of all the materials and layers inside the mattress you are considering so you can confirm that there aren't any lower quality materials or "weak links" in the mattress.

I would also keep in mind that if you aren't local to them and can't test a mattress in person then the exchange and/or return policy and any costs involved may become a more important part of the "value" of a mattress purchase just in case the choice you make doesn't turn out to be as good a "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) as you hoped for. There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses.

I am considering a Restopedic as I had a very nice conversation with the owner, who was happy to answer my questions. They don't have pocketed coils, however, so I want to take some time to visit them and test their beds,


There is one pocket coil mattress listed on their site (the Dream Dimensions) but the rest are either offset coils or foam mattresses (latex or memory foam). You can see some comments about Restopedic in this topic and this topic and this topic and a forum search on Restopedic (you can just click the link) will bring up more comments and feedback about them as well.. They tend to use higher quality materials than most of their competitors in similar budget ranges and they certainly make some very high quality/value mattresses and most importantly of all they are transparent about the type and quality of the materials and components they use in their mattresses.
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You may have seen this already but just in case you haven't ... some of the other options or possibilities that may also be well worth considering if you are in the Connecticut area (subject to the quality/value guidelines I linked earlier) are listed in post #2 here .

I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding and of course any comments or questions you may have along the way.

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Charles P. Rogers 09 Apr 2015 15:33 #40

I just wanted to weigh as someone who owns a Charles P Rogers mattress and is very happy with my purchase. I got the Powercore Estate mattress and foundation (queen size), and my partner and I often remark how it's the best mattress we've ever slept on. (I'm in my 40s and he's in his 50s, so we've spent many nights on many mattresses.) I'm don't have the technical knowledge that most of the posters have, but in layperson's terms: it's the right combo of firm core with a plush top for me. I can't feel my partner when he rolls over or moves. It's the right temperature (e.g. I don't wake up sweaty). And I feel like it was an excellent price for the quality I paid. I also liked supporting a smaller, US-based company.

I bought the mattress before a move to CA when I was living in NYC -- so I did have the opportunity to visit the showroom and try out the mattresses in person. I was hesitant to get their most expensive mattress, as I'm a little skeptical of the whole mattress-buying experience. But I felt like the materials used justified the higher price. And I'm really glad with my choice. We've been sleeping on the mattress since June 2014, so almost a year.

I also bought a St Regis twin and trundle for my 9-year-old step daughter. She loves her bed, and adult relatives who have come to stay with us have said it's very comfortable. We also bought two beds from CPR: the leather wingback bed for us and a white/brass twin and trundle for our daughter. Other than a slight delay with the deliveries (to California), we've been very, very happy with our purchase. I'd recommend the Powercore Estate to anyone (which is why I'm taking the time to write this post.) And I had an all-around good consumer experience with Charles P Rogers.

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