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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 10 Feb 2013 00:00 #16

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Many thanks to Phoenix and Sleepy1 in describing the different softness "species". It is quite amazing all the variables that effect a mattress. It makes looking for a new one even more daunting. I think we will go mainly by "feel" while thinking about comfort and support as our main guide and use some of the knowledge we have learned to help support what we actually feel. We're hoping to find that "wow" and we'll let you know if we get there.

On another note I started a topic on talalay gl and if you have any knowledge concerning the slow response gl and its comparison with regular latex, fast response latex and memory foam I would appreciate it. I like the feel of memory foam but am trying to stay away from the possible toxic effects. Thanks.


Well try not to see it as daunting, but as an opportunity to either search for or "build" your ideal sleeping surface!

If I've learned anything from this forum, it's that alignment comes first. And that can be hard to "feel" in the few minutes you're trying out a mattress in the store. Our "nightmare" memory foam mattress felt heavenly for the first 20 minutes or so...it wasn't until the middle of the night that the lack of alignment reared its ugly head. Maybe if we'd had a chance to try that mattress in the store and I'd had the sense to have DP check my alignment, we'd have avoided that mistake. For this last purchase I had DP pull my shirt all the way up in the back and check the alignment of my spine. Embarrassing, but IMO necessary. :ohmy:

I know nothing of gl MF (or anything else for that matter) but we definitely had a reaction to the MF off-gassing, though we detected no strong smell at all. I'm pretty leary of it now, but that's just me. :)

DP brought up what I thought was an excellent point today: Memory foam (or slow response foam) was of course first developed for astronauts to solve a specific problem--to cushion the body from G forces during flight--and this happens during a relatively short period of time. The body is thrown back very hard and fast, so of course slow-response shock absorption is best, as a more springy, fast-response material would result in the body being bounced forward just as hard. MF fits the bill well for that. But is it really good for sleeping all night? My personal feeling is that when coupled with proper support underneath, MF can be an excellent comfort layer, but I'd only consider it again IF they could figure out a way to make it without all the petrochemicals. JMO FWIW

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 10 Feb 2013 00:45 #17

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Hi Sleepy1,

DP brought up what I thought was an excellent point today: Memory foam (or slow response foam) was of course first developed for astronauts to solve a specific problem--to cushion the body from G forces during flight--and this happens during a relatively short period of time. The body is thrown back very hard and fast, so of course slow-response shock absorption is best, as a more springy, fast-response material would result in the body being bounced forward just as hard. MF fits the bill well for that. But is it really good for sleeping all night? My personal feeling is that when coupled with proper support underneath, MF can be an excellent comfort layer, but I'd only consider it again IF they could figure out a way to make it without all the petrochemicals. JMO FWIW


You're DP's point is very insightful and is one of the reasons that so many small manufacturers that are more accountable to their local customer base are suspicious of memory foam as well. The slow response of memory foam and its ability to absorb energy (such as projectiles shot at it as well) is called hysteresis and is the opposite of resilience (bounceback). Of course as you mention in the "right" combinations and for the "right" people it can be a very good material as a comfort layer (not as a support material) and many people love it but for many it's certainly not the panacea that some people would have you believe :)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 11 Feb 2013 23:01 #18

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Our mattress is coming tomorrow! Just one week after we ordered it. Not bad. It feels like the night before Christmas...or maybe better. Four months now without a good night's sleep--3 months on our "memory foam nightmare" and now 1 month on a lumpy, bumpy, saggy sofabed. :( So, yeah, better than Christmas.

Although the mattress we bought (SleepEZ) was "very very similar" to the one we tried in the store (SavvyRest), of course there could be some differences. BUT because we purchased a bed consisting of split layers in zip-up covers, we have many combinations to try if we do need to fine-tune. And we're fully prepared to exchange a layer or two if necessary--the cost for this is quite reasonable (so much better than dealing with some sleazy mattress store and "warranties" that never seem to cover anything). Right now, I'm about 80% confident that the mattress will be wonderful as-is; and if it isn't, I'm 99% confident we'll be able to make it so because we now have the knowledge to make any needed adjustments--including where to go to ask for advice. ;)
And sitting here tonight, pre-delivery, that's a pretty good place to be. :)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 12 Feb 2013 02:12 #19

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Hi Sleepy1,

I can kinda "feel" your excitement "popping" through the screen!

Congratulations on your new mattress as well :)

Now that it's about to arrive you only have to wait one more day/night before you actually get to sleep on it ... and I'm looking forward to your report about what Santa brought you :)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 12 Feb 2013 23:42 #20

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The bed arrived this afternoon, right on time.

The rolled, compressed latex layers sprung to full size instantly. They had a very slight sweetish rubbery smell that wasn't in any way strong or unpleasant. Arranging the layers and getting them zipped up in the cover took around 15 minutes. The Talalay topper came already encased in its separate cover. The organic cotton/wool quilted cover is EASILY as nice as the SavvyRest cover. The organic cotton is wonderfully soft and the wool quilting is quite thick (maybe a bit thicker than the SavvyRest), puffy, springy, soft....Such a nice feel and so beautiful it's a pity to put sheets over it. The free latex pillows were the solid latex kind--not the shredded--they appeared rather flat compared with a polyfill pillow, but actually felt just the right height. They had a bit of a sharp odor, but it dissipated quickly. Everything seems top quality.

As soon as the bed was assembled but without any sheets or bedding, I laid down on my back--my usual falling-asleep position. The soft but springy surface filled every curve--my lower back, behind my knees, even the area between my heels and calves. My whole body felt evenly and gently supported, yet with an incredible softness too. In fact, as I lay there, I realized I felt the same "weightlessness" as with the memory foam mattress, only without that "sinking into wet concrete" feeling. I have never experienced this feeling with any other mattress. The latex pillow continued the perfect support and I'm loving that as well. I flipped onto my side; latex moves with you, springing up and kind of helping you turn over. Very responsive, almost "alive." Equally comfortable on my side, even with my very broad shoulders. Turned onto my back again and then.....I fell asleep. Woke up 45 minutes later a bit cold without any covers, in the same position. I don't think I moved a muscle.

I will say, the main bed (two layers of Dunlop) when zipped up, is not as "tight" in its cover as the SavvyRest was. Either this, or simply the fact that the latex comes from a different source, the whole bed does feel a bit softer than the equivalent SavvyRest. Whether that will be a problem, a few night's sleep will tell. But so far so good.

I tell you folks, if you haven't experienced an all-latex mattress, you should at least try it. I'm incredibly frugal (DP says "cheap") and a month ago would have taken an oath I'd never, ever spend $1700 on a mattress. But once I tried it I just had to have it. Simple as that. Right now it feels like the best money I ever spent and I can't wait to go to bed tonight. :)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 13 Feb 2013 05:36 #21

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Hi Sleepy1,

Thanks for the great review.

It sounds like the anticipation was worth it :)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 13 Feb 2013 15:06 #22

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1st morning - zero back pain or stiffness for either of us. :) :cheer: ;)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 15 Feb 2013 01:25 #23

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Is it wrong to love a mattress this much? ;)

Day 2 and both of us still have zero back pain/stiffness. We've been in pain for 5 months, and after 1 night, gone. I find this very surprising.

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 15 Feb 2013 03:58 #24

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Hi Sleepy1,

Is it wrong to love a mattress this much? ;)


I sure hope not!

Day 2 and both of us still have zero back pain/stiffness. We've been in pain for 5 months, and after 1 night, gone. I find this very surprising.


That's great news. There's often an adjustment period for any new mattress but it seems that your body loves it right from the start and it seems to be making up for the deficiencies of your previous mattress. That kind of adjustment period (none) is always a bonus :)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 15 Feb 2013 19:53 #25

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Is it wrong to love a mattress this much? ;)

Day 2 and both of us still have zero back pain/stiffness. We've been in pain for 5 months, and after 1 night, gone. I find this very surprising.


Don't be alarmed if it comes back. It will likely be brief. I know I was immediately impressed with mine then I hit a few days where things were bad and now back to normal again. I think the adjustment period can be a bit of give and take until things get completely "shaken out"

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