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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 05 Feb 2013 20:49 #1

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In this thread I want to compare these two products as best I can. Having moved on from a memory foam mattress that was pure torture for us, we decided on a latex mattress "in theory," found this forum, and became better educated mattress buyers. We had only two local options--SleepEssentials, which has a plain cotton cover and requires a prescription to purchase because of the lack of fire-retardancy; and Mainly Mattresses, which had recently become a dealer for SavvyRest mattresses, which have a quilted wool cover that meets fire-retardant standards without chemicals and without a prescription. So we went to Mainly Mattresses to try them out. I have to say that my first experience with a latex mattress was a revelation; the firm/firm/med Dunlop offered the perfect combination of springiness, support, and softness, and just a unique feel unlike any other type of mattress IMO. I did feel some kind of topper would add the perfect final touch.

We made a second visit to Mainly Mattresses to try out the topper idea, and tried the firm/firm/med Dunlop again with SavvyRest's 3" Talalay topper encased in its own cotton/wool quilted cover. Heaven. I had Jay check my alignment and it was very good. When lying on my side, the soft Talalay gently filled the waist gap, and on my back it filled in my lower back area. We then tried the identical bed but with the soft Talalay layer incorporated into the bed instead of as a separate topper. I noticed a big difference but said nothing and had my DP try it. Mr. "I'm not picky" also noticed a big difference! It seemed the top layer performed quite differently when separate vs. as part of the main bed. Of course one difference is the separate topper adds two more layers of the wool quilting. In any case, although it may seem contradictory, it was like the separate topper was somehow freer to move and was able to cradle us in more softness, while at the same time it "interfered" less with the good firm support of the main mattress. In other words, when the soft top layer was incorporated into the main bed, the WHOLE bed felt softer and a little less supportive, while as a separate topper, we seemed to get more softness on the top without losing any of the support underneath. Maybe it was our imaginations, but this is exactly what I was hoping to achieve, as I truly need uncompromising support coupled with a lot of pressure relief; a hard order to fill! We definitely seemed to hit our 95% perfect goal. :)

Unfortunately, the prices of the SavvyRest were far beyond our means. In searching for something comparable, I found SleepEZ, which offers a bed with almost identical specs but around $2k less. Having been burned once with an online mattress purchase, I was hesitant, but liked the fact that they'd been in business for nearly 40 years and were rated A+ by the BBB, plus being a member here. So we've ordered a bed from SavvyRest and can't wait to get it.

I should clarify: the bed we tried in the store was a 4-layer bed (3" each, firm/firm/med/soft topper). We decided the fourth layer was unnecessary and are purchasing a 3-layer bed (3" each, firm/med/soft topper). SavvyRest also makes a 3-layer, so of course that's the price we used for comparison. Below are the specs of the two beds, in case anyone else is interested.

Both queen-size mattresses consist of:

Main bed: Two 3" layers of Dunlop, firm/med. Layers are split but identical on each side. Cover is wool quilted to cotton. Total height of main bed is 7".

Topper: One 3" layer of 100% soft Talalay (not split) with it's own cover, wool quilted to cotton; total height 4".

Total height of bed: 11"

Here's a pic of the SavvyRest Serenity plus Harmony Topper: www.savvyrest.com/products/organic-toppers/harmony
Link for the SleepEZ 7000 (the separate topper w/ cover is not listed on the website, so no picture is available of this): www.sleepez.com/latex-mattress-7000.htm#

Differences between the two mattresses:
SavvyRestSleepEZ
Main BedOrganicNatural
TopperOrganicOrganic
Dunlop sourceCoco LatexLatex Green
Talalay sourceLatex Intl.Radium
ILDN/A*Soft 22-24; Med 30-32; Firm 38-40
Price:
Main bed2,2991,195
Topper1,499649
2 latex pillows198free
Subtotal:3,9961,844
Sales tax:199none
5% MU discount:None-92.70
Grand Total:$4,195$1,751.30
*SavvyRest does not use ILD numbers, claiming they are meaningless.

Cost difference = $2,443.70

When we receive the bed, we'll let you know what we think.

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 06 Feb 2013 00:17 #2

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Update: Mattress finalized and paid for today; shipped today. Wow.

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 06 Feb 2013 06:58 #3

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Hi Sleep1,

I have to say thank you once again for another amazingly insightful and detailed post :)

I'm particularly impressed with your description of the differences you felt between a topper and the same layer inside the mattress cover. This matches "theory" exactly (even though everyone's perceptions don't always agree with theory). The independent movement of a topper and it's ability to compress with less interference and "pull in" from the sides more is the same reason that a pillowtop construction where the pillowtop has more free movement will feel softer (all other things being equal) than the same materials inside a tight top mattress. It's also the reason that say three 1" layers that are layered on top of each other will feel slightly softer than a single 3" layer of the same material.

I'm looking forward to your feedback once you've received the mattress ... which from the sounds of it should be very soon :)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 06 Feb 2013 09:28 #4

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Phoenix (Sleepy1--I hope you don't mind if I piggyback on your question!),

How does this type of layering, with the two 3 inch layers in the 7000, and the Talalay topper, compare to just getting the 10000 with three layers and (eventually) the topper?

I ask because I have been leaning toward the Natural 10000 since that is closest to what I tried in the Savvy Rest. I tried the Organic Serenity 10" Dunlop mattress. I described the layers in my post, but they are Dunlop medium on the bottom, Dunlop soft, Dunlop soft. The mattress was $2,299, and Diane (who was nothing but nice--I'd love to buy from her but not at twice the price) at The Eagles Rest was going to give me a 10% locals discount, so $2,069. I think I said my estimate was about $2500 in my original post, but I was factoring in the Holy Lamb Topper for an additional $375.

Moving forward:

After a little more research and reading on this website, my plan was to purchase the Sleep EZ Natural 10000 now, and then maybe, at a later date, get the Talalay Topper, since that is what I tried and loved at the store. Of course Savvy Rest's price for their 4 inch Talalay topper is $1,500, and Sleep EZ's 3 inch is $500 for the 100% natural Talalay. At Eagles Rest, I settled for the Holy Lamb topper--not a bad choice, still nice--and a savings of about $600 from their Talalay topper (hope I'm not confusing anyone!). Sleep EZ is obviously a better economic choice.

Would my results be similar if I order the 7000 with Dunlop medium on the bottom, Dunlop soft on the top, then the Talalay topper? I think the price for that set up would be close to the price for the 10000 by itself, no topper. Or, maybe it would even be wise to go firm on the bottom, medium in the middle and then the Talalay topper. Or should I just stick with the Sleep EZ 10000 described above and get that topper at a later date?

I have to add that I am a combination sleeper. I spend most of my time on my side, but I shift to my stomach as well, which makes mattress testing/purchasing difficult. I know I also spend a small amount of time on my back. I would love to stop shifting to my stomach, but after 44 years of life this probably isn't going to happen. The side sleeping could be why I liked/needed the softer Dunlop medium on the bottom as opposed to a Dunlop firm for pressure points (shoulder and hip); however, I'm sure I couldn't go all soft because of the stomach sleeping. I'm 5'2" and fluctuate (frustratingly) between 135 and 145 pounds, so I'm not huge (don't know if that knowledge helps).

My current mattress is horrid. I wake up constantly all night long and have for months, so I need to make a decision soon. I woke up at 1:30 this morning and struggled to get back to sleep for two hours and finally gave up, made coffee and logged on here.

This is not easy!

Thanks!

Karen

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 06 Feb 2013 13:27 #5

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Hi Sleep1,

I have to say thank you once again for another amazingly insightful and detailed post :)

I'm particularly impressed with your description of the differences you felt between a topper and the same layer inside the mattress cover. This matches "theory" exactly (even though everyone's perceptions don't always agree with theory).....

I'm looking forward to your feedback once you've received the mattress ... which from the sounds of it should be very soon :)

Phoenix


Don't thank me! :) Any insight I have has been gained from this forum. Glad our perceptions about the topper weren't totally crazy. And I certainly will update once we receive the mattress, and again when we've slept on it a while. The best thing you can do with useful info/experience IMO is to pass it on to others. ;)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 07 Feb 2013 01:54 #6

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Phoenix (Sleepy1--I hope you don't mind if I piggyback on your question!),

How does this type of layering, with the two 3 inch layers in the 7000, and the Talalay topper, compare to just getting the 10000 with three layers and (eventually) the topper?
Karen

Hi Karen, I don't mind you piggy-backing at all. I described the difference between the topper separate vs incorporated into the bed as best as I could....if there's something more specific you want to ask I can try to answer. The rest of your questions, you'd have to get Phoenix to answer. :)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 07 Feb 2013 03:12 #7

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Thank you, Sleepy1! I have too many questions! :silly:

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 07 Feb 2013 03:44 #8

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Hi KareninKC,

How does this type of layering, with the two 3 inch layers in the 7000, and the Talalay topper, compare to just getting the 10000 with three layers and (eventually) the topper?


I think that Sleep1's description in the first post of the thread probably describes the effect of a topper vs the same layer inside the mattress as well as I could both in "theory" and in experience.

I ask because I have been leaning toward the Natural 10000 since that is closest to what I tried in the Savvy Rest. I tried the Organic Serenity 10" Dunlop mattress. I described the layers in my post, but they are Dunlop medium on the bottom, Dunlop soft, Dunlop soft. The mattress was $2,299, and Diane (who was nothing but nice--I'd love to buy from her but not at twice the price) at The Eagles Rest was going to give me a 10% locals discount, so $2,069. I think I said my estimate was about $2500 in my original post, but I was factoring in the Holy Lamb Topper for an additional $375.


I would also tend to stick with what you have tested and liked unless you are clear about the effects of any change you decide to make (and the best place to discuss this would be a live conversation with the manufacturer you are considering). If you talk with them and let them know what you tried they will be able to approximate it as close as the options they have available will allow (and they would be close). In most cases ... 12" of latex wouldn't be necessary for anyone that wasn't in say the higher 200 lb or 300 lb range. There is more about the effects of a thicker mattress and some of the reasons people may choose it in post #14 here .

After a little more research and reading on this website, my plan was to purchase the Sleep EZ Natural 10000 now, and then maybe, at a later date, get the Talalay Topper, since that is what I tried and loved at the store. Of course Savvy Rest's price for their 4 inch Talalay topper is $1,500, and Sleep EZ's 3 inch is $500 for the 100% natural Talalay. At Eagles Rest, I settled for the Holy Lamb topper--not a bad choice, still nice--and a savings of about $600 from their Talalay topper (hope I'm not confusing anyone!). Sleep EZ is obviously a better economic choice.

The Savvy Rest topper has 3" of latex and the rest is wool. SleepEz has a similar topper (see Sleepy1's comment in the first post of this thread as well).

Would my results be similar if I order the 7000 with Dunlop medium on the bottom, Dunlop soft on the top, then the Talalay topper? I think the price for that set up would be close to the price for the 10000 by itself, no topper. Or, maybe it would even be wise to go firm on the bottom, medium in the middle and then the Talalay topper. Or should I just stick with the Sleep EZ 10000 described above and get that topper at a later date?


This would be different because of the different type of latex used in the top layer. Dunlop feels a little firmer in the same ILD and Talalay is a little more "lively". A topper would also change the feel slightly vs the same layers inside the cover. Again though ... I would spend some time on the phone with Shawn because you will gain much more insight into the effects of the changesyou are considering with a "live" back and forth conversation with a knowledgeable person than you will with more "theoretical" exchange on the forum. Nothing will replace or give you better information than a live conversation with the manufacturer of a mattress you are considering.

I have to add that I am a combination sleeper. I spend most of my time on my side, but I shift to my stomach as well, which makes mattress testing/purchasing difficult. I know I also spend a small amount of time on my back. I would love to stop shifting to my stomach, but after 44 years of life this probably isn't going to happen. The side sleeping could be why I liked/needed the softer Dunlop medium on the bottom as opposed to a Dunlop firm for pressure points (shoulder and hip); however, I'm sure I couldn't go all soft because of the stomach sleeping. I'm 5'2" and fluctuate (frustratingly) between 135 and 145 pounds, so I'm not huge (don't know if that knowledge helps).


I would question the use ... or the potential "risk" of two soft layers on top or your mattress (and I'm guessing Shawn would as well) particularly if you spend time on your stomach. At worst if the mattress you end up with needs a little fine tuning then it's not difficult to add a thinner topper as fine tuning to a mattress that is already very close to your needs and preferences. A thicker softer topper added to a mattress that is close to what you need may have more alignment risk for sleeping positions other than your side.

This is not easy!


I certainly understand this but it will be easier and you will gain more confidence with a live conversation that can go "back and forth" more easily than forum posts. :)

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 07 Feb 2013 14:42 #9

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I've always been an advocate of doing things right the first time and believe that adding a topper after the fact should not be necessary IF the mattress was configured properly. I mean if you want a 10" mattress why not buy the 10000 right?

Reading your comments about perceptoion and feel of the bagged toper versus multi layer I do see whare you are coming from. Many believe that a person cannot "feel" changes made in inches 6-9 of a mttreess, but I can.

So my thoughts on why you liked the separate topper versus a standard tall stack:

The addition of fabric between layers would have an additional spreading force rather than letting your contact points direct load. This would be a firming effect and is probably saying that the upper layers are a bit soft for you.

Looking back over the years I've always felt that I prefereed a pillow top mattress with lots of "loft" but not so soft. In fact I had a concept that I felt would work, but never really found a way to implement it. My concept was to introduce a thick layer of wool/felt like a snowmobile boot liner type material. This would give good support and then the compliance below would give pressure relief. It may take 2 layers one top (possibly thin) and another between layers, but I do think it would work. I think Sterans and Foster are onto something with their ultra firm model Adele as it sure feels like there is something up top that works well. It's what lies below that is too firm for me.


Funny thing is, after testing the PLB Nutrition, and then stacking my own SleepEZ, I've created a setup similar to my that with my Medium over Soft Talalay setup. Layer 3 can then be medium for a softer feel or firm/ex firm for a firmer feel.

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SavvyRest 7" Tranquility + topper vs. SleepEZ Natural 7000 + topper 07 Feb 2013 22:26 #10

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I've always been an advocate of doing things right the first time and believe that adding a topper after the fact should not be necessary IF the mattress was configured properly. I mean if you want a 10" mattress why not buy the 10000 right?

For the record, I'm not adding a topper after the fact, but am purchasing what I call the "main bed" and the topper together; not that there's anything wrong with adding a topper after the fact.... ;) I certainly would have purchased the 10000 if the equivalent I tried in the store had suited me. But having the topper separate performed completely differently for both of us vs the very same layers incorporated together into one taller bed.

The addition of fabric between layers would have an additional spreading force rather than letting your contact points direct load. This would be a firming effect and is probably saying that the upper layers are a bit soft for you.

Hmmm, that's interesting You're saying that an extra layer of quilted cover would spread the weight of any body part pressing down over a greater surface area, in effect making the latex underneath feel firmer. That makes sense. However, the lower layers of the main bed (med over firm Dunlop) were NOT too soft; the support was ideal but it lacked a comfort layer. When the comfort layer of soft was added as a separate topper, we were fine. But when the soft layer was incorporated into the main bed, THAT bed felt too soft; I lost support. I should say again that my DP felt the same thing w/o me saying anything, and he is not picky or an overthinker like me. Also, on a previous visit when I laid on the soft/med/firm, I declared it too soft then as well. So I'm fairly sure the difference was real. I did think it was interesting. Thanks for your comment; I think you're right about the fabric being a factor.

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