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Ultimate Dreams Mattress choices 21 Feb 2013 01:52 #31

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Hi hubbs,

As you know ... I can't feel what you feel on the mattress so I can only provide you with more general suggestions about which topper may be better for you and help with "how" to choose rather than "what" to choose but there are some guidelines in post #8 here which may help you decide which topper may work best or which you may prefer. It also links to some good sources for wool toppers as well ( post #3 here ).

Unless you have the chance to specifically test the combination you are considering ... the choice of a topper will be based on your own "best guess", your intuition and your "gut feel" about what you think will work best for you. It may also involve some trial and error. I would tend towards materials you are more familiar with and have actually tested.

Without this ... I would also suggest talking with various suppliers so you can "educate" your intuition, gain some confidence about what each choice may feel like without actually trying it, and see the "patterns" that are common to their suggestions. this will give you more confidence in your choices.

Wool will add some cushioning to your pressure points (more if it is thicker vs thinner) and will tend to be firmer than most foam ... especially when it compresses over time ... but it's also among the most resilient of the fibers. There's more about this in the "wool topper" link. It's a great choice for those who like the ventilation, pressure point relief, and overall "feel" of sleeping on a thicker layer of wool and it has less risk of alignment issues than thicker layers of foam.

Latex will usually feel a little softer and provide more overall pressure relief along the larger surfaces of the body and will have a more resilient feel than wool. Keep in mind too that if you choose latex that you will need a cover and that the sheets and protector won't be enough by themselves to prevent the latex from breaking down more quickly with exposure to air and light.

I would also consider the refund policies of any of the sources you are considering just in case you aren't happy with your choice and factor this in with the risk of trying a combination you haven't tried in person.

A good "average" choice would be in the range of 2" (a "fair bit") and you could use the guidelines to change this in the direction you think would be most suitable.

I know that it can feel like it's just as difficult choosing a topper as choosing a mattress but the more people you talk with (at least that are knowledgeable about the materials they sell) the more you will lower the risk of choosing a topper you haven't tried and the easier it will be to make the choice that is best for you. Without personal testing, nothing will replace talking to people who are knowledgeable about the products they make and sell and seeing the "patterns" in their suggestions.

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Ultimate Dreams Mattress choices 22 Feb 2013 07:02 #32

Hi Phoenix,

After reading your response, I feel a wool topper would be a safer choice for me. I am in Oregon and thought it would be nice to buy local - the "Bio Sleep Concept" wool topper is made in Portland. Its 3" organic and about 196oz of organic wool, so it seems substantial for under $400. Do you have knowledge of this company and its products? Just want to verify before buying as I don't see a lots of reviews for them.

Thank you!

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Ultimate Dreams Mattress choices 22 Feb 2013 07:26 #33

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Congratulations it really looks like a great mattress! As it turns out, have one- maybe TWO people interested in mattresses from this company. Should I win a lottery I believe I'd love to upgrade and have this my ultimate dreams in a guest room but then again, I am already quite attached to what I have - but I just can't wait to hear what you think of it!

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Ultimate Dreams Mattress choices 22 Feb 2013 17:38 #34

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Hi Hubbs,

I know a little about them (part of it from research triggered by your post and part from previously).

BioSleep Concept is based in California and has been selling wool products quite some time. They used to use Pure Grow wool from Vivetique but have recently switched suppliers and are now selling wool products made by naturalfelt.com/NFC.html/NFC_Index.html which is a sister company to www.cottoncloudfutons.com/onlinefutonstore.01/ and to sleepysheeporganics.com/ who recently bought a woolen mill . They are based in Portland and are now expanding and supplying other companies as well.

BioSleep Concepts also has just started making Dunlop latex mattresses as well (in the last month) which they are selling online. So their wool products comes from Sleepy Sheep and their mattresses are their own product.

In other words ... both BioSleep Concepts and SleepySheep have both been making products for years but both are now working together and introducing new products and/or services. Based on my conversations with Christian at BioSleep Concepts .. I would have no hesitation in buying his products (whether he makes them himself or they come from someone else) if they were the best "match" for you in terms of PPP and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are important to you.

The wool topper you are considering seems to be good value and looks like a good choice to me :)

If you do buy it I hope you have a chance to give us your feedback.

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Ultimate Dreams Mattress choices 01 Mar 2013 12:33 #35

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Update!

I received my mattress about 2 weeks ago and was very happy with how the mattress itself turned out. The moment I took it out and it started to unravel, I noticed the quality right away and it was top notch and felt and looked like a premium mattress. I would not hesitate to buy from Brooklyn Bedding again. The team over there is a pleasure to deal with and communicate with you every step of the way.

Now unto my problem. As I've been sleeping on the bed for a little over 2 weeks now I'm still waking up with shoulder and hip joint soreness and some lower back soreness which dissipates as the day goes on. I'm not sure if this is because the bed is to soft or two firm. In terms of Brooklyn Bedding the bed is considered soft as the layers are at an 8.

As I stated previously I'm 5'7 and around 145lbs and I would consider myself to have wide shoulders. Is there a sure fire way to tell if a bed may be to firm or to soft for you?

I'm going to start going through the process of exchanging layers and was hoping for some advice. Thanks!

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Ultimate Dreams Mattress choices 01 Mar 2013 19:01 #36

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Hi supparo,

Now unto my problem. As I've been sleeping on the bed for a little over 2 weeks now I'm still waking up with shoulder and hip joint soreness and some lower back soreness which dissipates as the day goes on. I'm not sure if this is because the bed is to soft or two firm. In terms of Brooklyn Bedding the bed is considered soft as the layers are at an 8.


Shoulder and hip pain can indicate a sleeping surface that is too firm if they are pressure related but they can also indicate an alignment issue if the mattress is too soft and the joints are being hyperextended by sinking in too far and not in their "neutral" position. The lower back pain points to this as well so these may be connected. Shoulder or upper body issues can also indicate an issue with either thickness or softness of a comfort layer or a pillow issue as the distance between your head and the mattress may have changed.

The first step would be for you to decide whether this was an issue of pressure relief or alignment but given that you are on a softer comfort layer the odds would indicate it was more connected to alignment at least as far as the hip and lower back issues. You also may be dealing with two completely separate issues (shoulders and hips) with two different causes.

I would need much more information than is possible on a form to "diagnose" any issues on a mattress though other than providing you with more generic possibilities or some insights about what may be happening and encouraging you to work with the people who made the mattress.

If your shoulders are wider than normal then besides your pillow, comfort layer thickness can also play a key role. In other words your shoulders may need to sink in further than they are (or your head may need better support) and your hips may need to sink in less than they are. This can seem contradictory (seems to indicate both the need for softer/thicker and firmer/thinner) and it can take some intuitive analysis for you to decide on the best course of action. The reason they are both possible is because while the shoulders are wider and lighter and need to sink in relatively more ... they also have less surface area than the hips so the weight there is more concentrated until you sink in enough that the torso begins to take up weight.

As I stated previously I'm 5'7 and around 145lbs and I would consider myself to have wide shoulders. Is there a sure fire way to tell if a bed may be to firm or to soft for you?


Unfortunately there are too many variables to have any sure fire way to diagnose mattress problems based on "theory at a distance" outside of your own personal experience with either testing or sleeping on a mattress and to look at the "preponderance of the evidence". It's also not just as simple as 'too firm" or "too soft" because it would depend on what "type" of firmness or softness you were talking about (see post #15 here ), along with layer thickness, layer softness, and the combination of all the layers in a mattress and how they interact together and with you in each of your sleeping positions (which I don't know and could make a significant difference as well).

It seems to me though that the "odds" say that under your hips is too soft/thick and I would begin there and then deal with the shoulder issues either with changing your pillow or based on your experience with the change under your hips/pelvis and deciding then what to do with the remaining issue. It's usually best to work with one issue at a time and first deal with alignment and pillow issues before dealing with the rest. If you purchased one of their mattresses with a layer exchange possibility ... then the first step would be to talk with them so see what they suggest as well but if it's possible then it seems that a firmer choice would be going with the odds.

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Ultimate Dreams Mattress choices 13 May 2013 01:15 #37

Thanks everyone for the reviews. I'm really liking this bed!!!

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