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Ultimate Dreams Latex versus Oklahoma Mattress Inner Spring Mattress with latex topper 03 Feb 2013 00:42 #11

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Hi PrincessanthPea,

I did see a topper that was in a 2 compartmented cover (2 sets of ziparounds) for 2 different topper layers which looked very interesting. Neither layers were latex. I forgot the brand but something like that may be an option I or others might like. I have not seen the 2 zippered cover alone anyplace else online yet and the brand name was not familiar to me.


The topper you are mentioning sounds interesting and i haven't seen it in my travels. If it has a zipper on both sides it wouldn't be that difficult to replace one side with latex if you wanted to.

There is a two sided topper here from Innomax that has 5 lb memory foam on one side and latex on the other (with a thin layer of HR polyfoam in between) but it doesn't have a zipper.

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Ultimate Dreams Latex versus Oklahoma Mattress Inner Spring Mattress with latex topper 04 Feb 2013 13:02 #12

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Hello Phoenix, I finally found that topper again- it is a Sleep Innovations 3" Rejuvenation gel memory foam mattress topper and the 100% cover has 2 zippers to form 2 compartments with each part holding 1.5 in.

It runs about $180 to $290.00 for full to king size and does sell through Amazon and I just found it on Walmarts site this morning.

I am still trying to figure out what level to have for my just purchsed Ultimate Dreams Latex Mattress and have been in communication with Chuck about it. I think with this kind of adjustable topper (perhaps latex in one part?) a 6 or 7 might be perfect however with my physical problems as well as having Fibromyalgia sleeping on something really soft would be heavenly... though I know "too soft" is not good. Any thoughts?

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Ultimate Dreams Latex versus Oklahoma Mattress Inner Spring Mattress with latex topper 04 Feb 2013 20:32 #13

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Hi Princessandthepea,

I am still trying to figure out what level to have for my just purchsed Ultimate Dreams Latex Mattress and have been in communication with Chuck about it. I think with this kind of adjustable topper (perhaps latex in one part?) a 6 or 7 might be perfect however with my physical problems as well as having Fibromyalgia sleeping on something really soft would be heavenly... though I know "too soft" is not good. Any thoughts?


I would tend to make the comfort choice for the mattress first and then sleep on it to decide how much if any further softening you may need. It's usually better to deal with one variable at a time.

The Sleep Innovations topper has the ability to rearrange the layers which can be helpful but it also uses some very low quality materials inside it. The Luratex is 3.0 lbs and the gel memory foam is 3.43 lbs (with larger particles of gel) both of which are not great quality materials. If you add 3" to a pre-existing comfort layer you could also be risking alignment issues because your comfort layer would be very soft and thick.

The good news is that it's cheap and easily replaceable if it softens or degrades too quickly, you can try different variations to see if any of them seem to work for you without causing alignment issues, and it's also returnable so the risk is less.

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Ultimate Dreams Latex versus Oklahoma Mattress Inner Spring Mattress with latex topper 04 Feb 2013 23:11 #14

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Phoenix- I figured as much!!! and it is thicker than I had thought I might want to ge anywayt. Still the 2 zipper configuration cover sounds great if a person could find it sold separately.

Thank you for reminding me that too much topper could be just too much of a good thing for me and my mattress. And yes, I will definitely give the mattress at least a few days use first and think of any kind of topper later.

Question- under what circumstances IS a very plush bed mattress recommended for someone?
So far, I have not read of any type of scenario that would make using a very soft mattress good for any body especially as far as body alignment goes, so for what reasons should a person have to have a very soft mattress to begin with?

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Ultimate Dreams Latex versus Oklahoma Mattress Inner Spring Mattress with latex topper 05 Feb 2013 03:58 #15

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PrincessanthPea,

Question- under what circumstances IS a very plush bed mattress recommended for someone?
So far, I have not read of any type of scenario that would make using a very soft mattress good for any body especially as far as body alignment goes, so for what reasons should a person have to have a very soft mattress to begin with?


This is one of those questions that can be much more complex than it seems at first.

First of all ... "softness" has different meanings to different people and there are different "species" of softness (for lack of a better description). Post #4 here talks a little more about this. different people will be more or less sensitive to either the "feel" of softness, the pressure relief softness, the support softness, or the "overall" softness of a mattress and each of these may be talking about very different things when they talk about the softness of a mattress.

Softness is also relative to the body type and sensitivity of each person. People who are heavier that sink into a foam will feel it is softer than someone who is lighter and the same foam doesn't allow them to sink in as much. Some people will also be more sensitive to some of the deeper layers or they may come into play more with higher weights and some will tend to focus on the "feel" of the top layer or even the "feel" of the cover.

Because of all the varying descriptions of what soft and firm really is ... it's usually much more "accurate" and objective to talk in terms of the overall "feel" of a mattress (surface feel), the pressure relief of a mattress, and the support and alignment of a mattress.

The most common definition of softness has to do with the pressure relieving qualities of a mattress. This comes from the upper layers of the mattress and how well they re-distribute weight away from any pressure points. If you read post #6 here it describes someone floating in the air in good alignment and gradually being lowered onto a mattress. At first only the more "pointy parts" of the body will contact the mattress and all the weight is concentrated there. As you gradually sink in deeper more of the body surface begins to take up weight and relieve pressure on the parts that were initially in contact with the mattress. Eventually enough of the body surface is bearing weight that there are no perceptible pressure points. This is why the depth of the pressure relieving cradle and the materials that are used in the top layers are so important.

Generally ... if pressure on the surface capillaries in the pressure points are reduced to below about 32 mmhg (a unit of pressure) for most people, then the capillaries won't collapse with the pressure and the blood flow will be maintained. When this is achieved ... the body doesn't feel "pressure" or the urge to move and restore blood flow. Once you have reduced the pressure on the pressure points to the maximum possible ... then there is no further benefit to sinking in any more. If the heavier parts keep on sinking because the comfort layers are softer and thicker than you need to achieve maximum pressure relief ... then all that happens is that you lose alignment with no more benefit of more pressure relief.

Some people need more pressure relief than others because they are either more sensitive, have less muscle tone, sleep in more pressure prone positions, or because their capillaries "collapse" more easily for various reasons. These people will generally do best with the maximum possible depth of cradle that is beneficial but more than this introduces new risks for alignment that have no pressure relieving benefit.

In come cases ... some people just prefer to sink in more deeply into the comfort layers and as long as this is done evenly without one part sinking in too much relative to the rest ... then this is a matter of preference.

Sometimes some people aren't as sensitive to sleeping in a position where spinal or joint misalignment causes issues (they may be more flexible for example) so for these people it's easier to just add more softness for extra pressure relief with less thought of the alignment issues that can go with it. For these people ... a little too much softness and thickness in the comfort layers isn't as likely to cause back pain or joint pain that can come from a misaligned spine or joints.

In other cases ... people just feel better with a nice fluffy layer on top of the mattress in addition to comfort layers that improve pressure relief just because it "feels" soft even though it doesn't necessarily improve pressure relief and in some cases can even reduce it.

Finally there are slow response materials such as memory foam which change in softness depending on temperature, humidity, and the length of time they are compressed and can also feel firmer when you move or change position than they do when they have warmed up underneath you. They respond more slowly which can affect how soft or firm they feel to different people and with different sleeping styles and they can change their firmness level depending on the type and thickness of the layers over them (including any mattress pads, toppers, or sheets and bedding) which can change the amount of heat which reaches them and their softness and response (see post #9 here and post #8 here for more about the differences between different types of memory foam).

So the answer to your question is that different people need a different depth of cradle to achieve what for them is "enough" pressure relief. Underneath this they need firm enough (for them) layers to "stop" further sinking down of the heavier parts of the body to keep the spin in good alignment. In addition to this some may also add a nice plush layer on top just because it feels better to them. "Enough" to relieve pressure for that particular person without causing alignment issues is always the key. For some people ... "enough" by any definition of softness is much different than others.

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Ultimate Dreams Latex versus Oklahoma Mattress Inner Spring Mattress with latex topper 07 Feb 2013 13:18 #16

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Hi Phoenix,

I've had six nights of sleep on my new mattress, and am happy to say that I love it more than I could have ever anticipated. The quality and comfort of the mattress is amazing.

This was a very stressful purchase for me. I was on a tight budget, and had needs and wants that were probably unrealistic under $1000. I'm happy to say that every doubt I had beforehand has be squelched, and I am doing nothing but enjoying wonderful sleep every night.

Thank you for this site, and all of the work you do to educate the world about mattresses. Thanks to you I am sleeping better than I have in many years!

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Ultimate Dreams Latex versus Oklahoma Mattress Inner Spring Mattress with latex topper 07 Feb 2013 18:07 #17

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Hi dreamthedayaway,

Thanks for sharing the update and feedback.

It's great to see someone make the transition from stressing about which mattress to buy to "destressing" on the mattress they buy :)

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